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Niall McCrae: The online Corbyn mob is middle class, educated and vicious

‘Ohhh, Jeremy Corbyn’. The sun shone at Glastonbury, after last year’s Brexit thunderstorm. Music festivals have always been a forum for the like-minded, although most campers have come for the music, and don’t care much for the clarion call of ideologues.  But this year was different. I heard the same chant at the failed Day of Rage at Westminster last week, when it was (said The Sun), ‘too hot to Trot’. At the next big demo on July 1st it will be the main story on the BBC: thousands in unison, calling for their Messiah.

Nothing wrong in the young getting involved in politics. But as many commentators have observed, British society is becoming polarised by age and educational attainment. On one side the young graduate class with their liberal views, now shifting further to the left. On the other is the ordinary folk beyond the metropolis; they are socially conservative and worried about the future of their country due to mass immigration, the growing influence of Islam, and the relentless advance of cultural Marxism and identity politics. The former group, after the recent election, has its tail up, despite falling short at the ballot box.

The Tories must be booted out by any means necessary, and Corbynites are skilled at using the internet to gather support, spread fake news and attack opponents. NHS psychiatrist Max Pemberton, in his weekly column for the Daily Mail, told of his barrage of abuse at the hands of Twitter trolls, after tweeting his sympathy for beleaguered Theresa May. ‘F’ and ‘c’ words proliferated, as his considerate comment was likened to collaboration with the Nazis. Pemberton saw this apparently coordinated onslaught as a display of deindividuation, a term coined in 1952 by social psychologist Leon Festinger.

Not a household name, Festinger (1919-1989) produced three important theories in psychology, all as relevant today as ever. Unlike the laboratory experiments of behaviourists such as BF Skinner, Festinger preferred to study real life. He introduced the concept of cognitive dissonance, the tension arising when a person maintains certain beliefs despite facing contrary evidence. Secondly, he devised social comparison theory. People evaluate themselves in relation to others, comparing downwards to affirm their self-worth and upwards for aspiration. This is useful in understanding behaviour on the internet, where status is marked by liberal attitudes and virtue-signalling.

The third of Festinger’s revelations is deindividuation theory.  This is the loss of self-consciousness and control to group dynamics, where a normally civilised person can become uncharacteristically aggressive. In the theatre of marches and demonstrations, any act is part of the show, and the actor is following script. Deindividuation is the key to mob violence.

A famous study of deindividuation was the Stanford Prison Experiment, led by Philip Zimbardo. Under group pressure, educated and mentally stable volunteers acted so sadistically in their role as prison officers that the experiment was halted early. As Zimbardo described in The Lucifer Effect, the study showed our potential for abject cruelty resulting from a diffusion of responsibility and dehumanising of others. We are easily persuaded of a badness that must be eradicated without mercy. Indeed, violence and social breakdown is scarily proximate, and can happen quite unexpectedly, as in the London riots six years ago, and anarchic urges after the Grenfell Tower fire. Lord of the Flies was not a story about children.

Deinviduation is most likely to arise in a ‘them and us’ context. Academe is a breeding ground for self-righteous attitudes and hostility for the other half of society. Instead of providing polytechnics and apprenticeships leading to gainful employment, many of the 50 per cent of young people who go to university do courses of dubious value. Supposedly conservative politicians have fostered a vast graduate generation whose exposure to left-wing campus culture has filled their heads with subversive ideas. Most young people are not destructive, but given compelling group forces, the calmest person is susceptible to lynch mob mentality.

In a recent article I applied John Bowlby’s attachment theory to suggest the source of a rising tide of mental health problems in adolescence, speculating further on how middle-class toddlers separated from mothers and dispatched to impersonal nurseries grow to espouse ‘nanny state’ politics. This is a factor in the Corbyn cult, while deindividuation is a feature. Tellingly, studies show that people of above-average intelligence are most prone to this phenomenon. They intellectualise, which is a common means of emotional detachment in bright younger people yet to gain the confidence and competence to deal with the complexity of human relations.

For experimental purpose a Conservative Party recruitment stall should be set up at the next big festival, issuing dire warnings about the twin demons of socialism and ‘hippy crack’. Let’s see how long it survives! Joking apart, the aggression of Corbyn supporters is readily apparent, as in the vitriol for moderates (‘Blairites’) within the Labour Party. At Westminster last week I saw a middle-class woman with young daughter unfurling banners; one slogan claimed: ‘Theresa May kills babies’. May this little girl, in later years, rebel against this indoctrination of hate.

The internet is a Colosseum of anonymous savagery, and the Momentum gang make the Cybernats of the Scottish independence referendum seem mild-mannered. This is where the battle must be fought, but not with weapons. Whenever possible the dehumanised should bring their humanity to the fore. Remind aggressors of their agency and the Christian principle: treat others how you would like to be treated. Question the validity of extreme language: does your opponent really deserve being labelled ‘scum’ or ‘vile’? How should you practise your self-ascribed tolerance and kinder politics? After Jo Cox, is ‘burn the witch’ appropriate?

That’s a tall order for any target of relentless abuse. But there is another card to play. Give them enough rope, and your deindividuated attackers might hang themselves by libel or hate crime. As shown by Douglas Murray when the BBC allowed his defamation as a ‘hate preacher’ before apologising under threat of legal action, sometimes you have to fight back. Mobs are a bullying collective, who don’t like it up ‘em.

(Image: Kevin Walsh)

Niall McCrae

  • Reborn

    Depends what you mean by “educated”
    I prefer the term “miseducated”
    Long after his death, Gramsci’s policies have been in effect in our Higher Education sector
    for decades. The sciences offer fewer opportunities for miseducation than the softer subjects.
    The latter, naturally, produce most political & media types, who continue to push a
    hard left, destructive, agenda, often in complete ignorance of what they are doing.
    Shown not just in BBC/Channel Four bias, but also in the judicial system.
    Significantly, all such expressions of cultural Marxism are tax payer funded.

    • JabbaPapa

      I think people are taught to think exactly like everyone else, whilst being conned into believing that this is “original thinking”. The never-ending sameness of the typical commentary of the online atheists, each somehow thinking that it’s “clever” to mention the fairies cliché, is a clear example of it.

      They’re never taught critical thinking nor analysis, and their practise of skepticism boils down to refusing to believe anything that they’ve not been previously taught.

      • Bik Byro

        “I think people are taught to think exactly like everyone else”
        “They’re never taught critical thinking nor analysis”

        Says someone who swallows every word in the bible, believes in a man in the sky without proof, and probably goes to church every sunday to be told what to think.

        • Reborn

          Hard, but true.
          Judeo Christianity has no more rational or scientific truth than any
          other organised religion I know of.
          Significantly, it has, in most cases, moved with the times, albeit about
          200 years behind rational, genuine, progress.
          If people have a need of religion, I believe in supporting, even defending
          mainstream Judaism & Christianity.
          If those religions are ridiculed out of existence, we all know where those in need of supernatural beliefs will go.
          And it ain’t traditional UK folk beliefs,/Wikka

          • Bik Byro

            It hasn’t occurred to Jabba that probably the reason is he is a christian is that he was born to christian parents in, at the time, a mainly christian country.
            Isn’t it remarkable for god to organise it so that wherever you are born in the world, the local religion is always the true one?
            If Jabba had as much critical thinking as the average person’s left toenail, he might have contemplated that thought.

          • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

            A great advantage of Judaism is the absence of a concept of hell.

            Whatever you have done in your life, if you’re Jewish, you go to heaven.

            For a person with my deeply chequered history this is a comfort indeed.

          • ale bro

            buddhism is a great example of a religion that does not have a supreme being and so can escape the ridicule that is applicable to other religions

          • Harley Quin

            It also has no answer to the real questions except a retreat from life to avoid suffering.

          • ale bro

            i haven’t come across suicide in the buddhist texts i’ve read

          • JabbaPapa

            Westernised & intellectualised pseudo-buddhism certainly doesn’t, and yes — all it provides is a handy emotional/intellectual escape route.

            In the East it exists alongside the Buddhist disciplines, and practices, and ethics, and morals — the version in the West has been ripped away from these essentials, and set alongside shallow materialist consumerism instead. It’s multiculturalism at its very worst.

          • JabbaPapa

            Your claims are cogent not at all with reality.

            The University that has forced this grotesque propaganda onto you owes its very existence to the Catholic Church.

        • Coniston

          I’m afraid you (and Reborn) have a rather inadequate understanding of Christianity. The nutters who exist in every religion should be ignored.
          Traditional Christian theology places a very high emphasis on reason to understand and articulate what it believes. Many great theologians have been great philosophers – the last two popes have been.
          Religion is not science, which depends wholly on empirical investigation and cannot tell us all about human persons and values. The two can work in harmony together.
          I can only suggest you examine two websites:

          • Bik Byro

            I don’t have any issue with finding spirituality and understanding human personal values. Indeed, I think it is important that we investigate and reflect on these things. And I am open to the concept of a higher intelligence, though when I see children in pain in cancer wards, I don’t believe it is as personal and caring as many would like to believe.
            My main two issues are when religions say (1) You must obey this law which makes no common sense whatsover and (2) This is the one true religion, you must not have friends with other faiths/you must kill people with other faiths. And you must admit, these two things do go on a lot.

          • Coniston

            Regarding your two main issues, it depends which religion you are referring to. You seem to think they are all more or less the same. They certainly are not. Reading the Four Gospels should dispel this idea.
            (1) ‘You must obey this law’. What law are you thinking about? Christianity is not about a set of rules or laws. The 10 Commandments, for example, were given to enable Jews to have a basic understanding of how they should live (unlike surrounding tribes or societies).
            So these are not ‘rules’ or ‘laws’ in the normal sense. They are based on the reality behind our place in the universe, & how human society has to work if people are to live in tune with this reality. This understanding has of course been abused at times by churches and individual Christians, which does not invalidate it.
            (2) You are here referring to Islam, not Christianity (again, even if at different times in the past the church/Christians have acted against the tenets of their religion). Islam and Christianity are distinctly different and do not worship the same god.

      • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

        `the fairies cliché’ – a very difficult one to rebut or refute. Your sneers don’t in any way secure your position which is very weak..

        • JabbaPapa

          `the fairies cliché’ – a very difficult one to rebut or refute

          Cretin — it is never difficult to denounce the lack of rationality that this particular cliché exemplifies.

          • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

            So rebut or explain.

            My sister in law is just the same. Backed into a corner, she like you is terrified.

          • JabbaPapa

            oh good grief — the “fairies” cliché is moronic for two reasons.

            1) The complete and utter lack of thought that it contains

            2) The grotesque category error that it constitutes — the fact that nobody believes in X is of no relevance whatsoever as to the question of the existence of Y

            The failure on the part of the person using this cliché to use his own mind to think on his own, but instead needing to rely on such pret-à-penser pre-digested bollox is also directly indicative of intellectual laziness and/or some more crass stupidity.

          • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

            That is all just flannel.

            Both are mythical beings.

            You only fool youself, or perhaps you don’t and this is the reason for your anger and frustration.

            Faith and hope are the same thing chum!


          • JabbaPapa

            So just empty cognitive bias in response ? Typical.

          • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

            Nope. You are an arrogant religious (probably Catholic but who cares) fanatic.

            My position is that God does not exist and that the concept of a deity is no different from the concept of any other mythical spirit.

            This position incites your wholly irrational anger because you are incapable of refuting it, so you resort to insults and hysteria,

            You seem a deeply unhappy person, but that is not difficult to understand.

            I suggest you stand on your own two feet and stop hiding behind such silliness.

          • JabbaPapa

            Cognitive bias indeed, then, and your accusations of “anger” and “hysteria” are quite amusing in the face of your hysterical atheist knee-jerking.

            I’m guessing that you don’t know what a category error even is in the first place.

            A category mistake, or category error, or categorical mistake, or mistake of category, is a semantic or ontological error in which things belonging to a particular category are presented as if they belong to a different category, or, alternatively, a property is ascribed to a thing that could not possibly have that property. (wikipedia)

            Magical creatures do not belong to the same category as the Creator, no more than material beings belong to the same category as the transcendent God. In much the same way that a tennis ball does not belong to the same category as the interstellar vacuum.

            Furthermore, it is a blatant error of logic to suppose that because fairies do not exist, then God doesn’t — it’s like saying mickey mouse doesn’t exist, therefore neither did Walt Disney.

            The whole cliché is extensively stupid in every possible way.

          • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

            More empty flannel with irrelevant definitions as a handy deflection device.

            `Furthermore, it is a blatant error of logic to suppose that because fairies do not exist, then God doesn’t — it’s like saying mickey mouse doesn’t exist, therefore neither did Walt Disney’

            On the contrary, it is not illogical to suggest that since there is no evidence of the existence of any metaphysical manifestation, that in consequence, both fairies and Gods probably don’t exist.

            I have seen many more effective rebuttals. You should look them up. Your spluttering of rage don’t make more you convincing probably I suspect because you doubt your own message.

          • JabbaPapa


            nitwit – I’m laughing at your foolish defence of a cretinous cliché

            Your disbelief in God is a cognitive bias that you mistake for logic — there is no meaningful connection between fairies and God, except inside that bias.

          • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

            No. You are strong on insults but the rebuttal is nowhere to be seen,

            You don’t fool me or I suspect anyone else, perhaps not even you.

            Fairies and God are both metaphysical constructs with no supportive evidence – unless of course you can provide some – for either or both.

            But you can’t, can you? So you splutter and rage, but you certainly are not laughing.

            Your’s It must be a lonely life.

          • JabbaPapa

            Just because you fail to comprehend the response doesn’t make it magically vanish away. You could try not believing in Mount Everest all you like, but it’ll affect its existence not a jot.

          • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

            More embarrassing squirming bluff is not a rebuttal. Have a serious attempt – go ahead.

            I have heard some quite effective and thoughtful rebuttals, but not from you.

            I suspect that you are not really a believer, but you would like to be. I know a COE cleric just like you but unlike you, he is honest with himself so he earns my respect.

            You definitely do not.

            Actually, I’m not really an atheist.

            Because there is exactly the same amount of evidence in support of a deity as there is supporting its absence, (that is, none whatsoever), the only honest position for the unbeliever, in my view, to take, is agnosticism. Thus, I am an open minded agnostic – ready at any time to see the light.

            I have not seen the light so far but neither have you, I suspect!

            Hence your frustration and evident fury. But that is your problem, not mine.

          • JabbaPapa

            Thus, I am an open minded agnostic

            So why waste your time and that of others with atheist clichés then ?

  • James Chilton

    “The internet is a Colosseum of anonymous savagery…”

    This is true; but there’s no way it can be policed without draconian censorship enforced by the “authorities”. Appealing to any sense of decency or self-restraint will not work. A cruel genie is out of the bottle. It will not be put back by moral reasoning.

  • UKCitizen

    In nearly all the experiments carried out to show this and when you look at real life examples, the one defining feature of all of them is accountability.
    The human animal when not held to account by social constraints, state constraints or spiritual constraints is cruel and hateful.
    The internet breeds this hatred because it avoids it by anonymity, antifa wear masks to avoid it, being part of a mob avoids it, being backed by the state avoids it.
    The more we destroy the fabric of our societyand the more we create an ‘other’ mentality, the less account people will be held to and the worse the violence and hate will get.

  • Colkitto03

    When I was campaigning for Leave the only abuse I got was from the educated middle class types. Much of it was nasty. Much was personal. Nearly always said as they were walking by or walking away quickly (not brave these Remain types).
    The working class people were always a joy.

    • UKCitizen

      Not necessarily the middle class but certainly the bourgeoisie class.

      • Colkitto03

        Yes, the bien pensants.

    • Niall McCrae

      My experience too. And as said below, it’s not the middle-class as a whole, but the faux-intellectual snobs.

    • Enemy Coast Ahead

      Most are brat bullies – spoiled vicious middle class brats from nice respectable middle class homes who have been used to getting their own way and therefore find it difficult to empathize with those not as fortunate as themselves – by adopting far left-wing politics they can continue their bullying ways and further antagonize those they consider inferior to themselves and look down upon – the lower white working class being the usual target for expressing their bigoted contempt.

      Expensively educated little Robespierre brats – the Labour party is full of them.

      • Colkitto03

        Agree, look at the horrific litter simply left behind on the ground at Glastonbury. They expect someone else to pick up after them.

        • Corblimey

          Glastonbury typifies those ecological issues that are destroying the environment.

    • secretpeople

      They only have nasty and personal ad-homs. I’m all ears but have yet to discover a good reason to remain.

  • Derek

    The point of University is to learn how to think critically which can be applied everywhere. If you then choose to engage in political belief then you have wasted your money.
    Emory Study Lights Up The Political Brain
    “None of the circuits involved in conscious reasoning were particularly
    engaged,” says Westen. “Essentially, it appears as if partisans twirl
    the cognitive kaleidoscope until they get the conclusions they want, and
    then they get massively reinforced for it, with the elimination of
    negative emotional states and activation of positive ones.”

    Science Confirms: Politics Wrecks Your Ability to Do Math

    According to a new psychology paper,
    our political passions can even undermine our very basic reasoning
    skills. More specifically, the study finds that people who are otherwise
    very good at math may totally flunk a problem that they would otherwise
    probably be able to solve, simply because giving the right answer goes
    against their political beliefs..

    In effect political belief converts you to a dullard so why waste money on an education.

    • James Chilton

      I think it’s well understood that people, most people anyway, are motivated more by sentiment than by reason.

      Hamlet, as usual, has something to say:

      …………………………………..Give me that man
      That is not passion’s slave, and I will wear him
      In my heart’s core, ay, in my heart of heart….

  • springmellon

    I was disappointed on 9th June, but with hindsight, the result couldn’t have been better

    Theresa May is going to have her feet held the fire by the DUP, who have actual conservative policies and are pro-Brexit. I am afraid I don’t trust May on Brexit and a large majority may have given her confidence to backslide.

    Corbyn is now safe as Labour Leader, which means we get five years of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott gaffes. Better, we get to watch the commies and Blairites tearing each other to bits. The plots, purges and bile will badly damage labour.

    If only we could get a Tory Party committed to small government, low taxes, personal responsibility, enterprise and liberty, our post-EU future could be a golden age.

    • Reborn

      Small government in most respects.
      BUT strong defence from criminals within & enemies without.

      • springmellon

        Exactly. Government that confines itself to the defending life liberty and freedom and not a money soaked, bloated nanny interfering in every aspect of our lives.

    • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

      Corbyn’s public performance is improving everyday and the Tories continue to shift leftwards.

      It really is over I’m afraid.

      Perhaps a cleansing dose of Marxism is to be welcomed.

      • springmellon

        Give him a couple of years and he might be able to do PMQs without reading from a prepared script.

        Corbyn and other media commentators have convinced themselves they have sparked off a socialist revolution. Corbyn has let the cuddly father christmas act drop and the public will now get to see him as the hateful, bitter, sixth-form commie he is. He will alienate moderate voters and turn the Labour Party in to nest of vipers.

        Corbyn has reached his high water mark and the Tories have reached their low with their abysmal 2017 manifesto.

        • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

          Lovely thought but all the evidence I am seeing supports the contrary view.

          Corbyn continues to improve his credibility with his target audience and our `government’ shifts gears from fourth to fifth rate.

          • springmellon

            Time will tell, but Corby and McDonnell are so spectacularly stupid and dogmatic that I think the odds might be on my side.

          • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

            Not noticeably, and they did improve their position at the election to everyone’s amazement.

            Not that stupid I suggest.

          • springmellon

            I don’t consider votes bought on the promise of free stuff paid for by someone else and borrowing is indicative of a great thinker.

            His “success” is more indicative of the high level of state dependence, ignorance , and naively that the bloated state has created in our populace.and the fact that the Tories decided to offload a double barrel shotgun in to their own foot

            Like I said. Time will provide the answers.

          • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

            You have defined the problem quite well but no solution is anywhere near being planned or carried out – which is the reason why we will soon be enjoying a Marxist government.

            There is little time I’m afraid.

          • Groan

            Indeed the “stupid” ones were the affluent middle class remainers who became “turkeys voting for Christmas” in a fit of pique at not getting their own way. The May strategy of getting a lot of the UKIP vote actually worked. It was fatally undermined by the usually Tory Professional Classes going “off piste” . All the various commentators prior to the election appeared to expect and “model” a possible bigger turn out and lefty vote from young people, to negligible effect on a result.
            No the “hindsight” is that no one was paying any attention to the young middle aged professionals normally mainly Tory voting, or possibly Liberal /Tony Blair. And contrary to their boring image they trotted out and voted “the revenge of the remainers”. The crucial question is what were they thinking ? Not being “yoof” or crusty old folk no one was in the least interested prior to the election. Did we just see a protest? Did they really want to see Comrade Corbyn get in or did they believe all the experts that he was a no hoper? Lots of questions here because no was, and it appears is asking. But particularly the Conservatives need to ask and learn. For if it was “remoaning” then its like the by-election protest vote that may not be repeated but what if its something else and Conservatives have “lost” their hold in “safe” seats.

      • JabbaPapa

        … and now you are paranoid in the 2010s.

  • Groan

    I do not disagree with any of your analysis. However I don’t want concern for the young to overwhelm analysis. These processes are old and the young have always been in the for front of “revolution” of left or right as they are generally more easily persuaded by simple and dramatic arguments. In each generation it seems to me there is a flowering, lots of panic about the young, followed by that generation “growing up”. With a few carrying on into adulthood. May’s miscalculation at the last election was that middle class remainers would find Corbyn so distasteful they’d vote tory. In fact the Lib Dems campaign had the same basis as the home of remaining for nice people. Both were proved wrong as the comfortable remainers did vote for Corbyn, and in a sense got what they wanted “soft” Brexit but no actual labour Gov. The youth vote contributed to surprising results in some University Towns but overall is too small to make a huge difference.
    The key is not to try to convert “the young” , for in reality that’s a huge and long job of dismantling some of the social revolutionary machine now embedded in education etc., But to isolate the middle class remainers and build on all the data that points to the general public view that Brexit is what should happen even if they didn’t vote for it.
    On the positive side generally the vote strengthened the “united” in United kingdom and events focussed on Law and Order and Security. Corbyn was clever here as he quickly and without scruple used events to look like Labour would “do something” , while by definition the incumbent Gov. had “failed”. Frankly Corbyn moved the debate onto what should have been Tory territory.
    In social surveys there are two things that should be used by the Tories. People want to see more essential services, by which they mean those that keep us safe and reasonably well and they have little support for those they see as parasitic by which they mean rentiers the undeserving rich and spongers by which they mean the benefits “cheats” (and here this means cheating on the basic premise benefits for need, not just to watch TV and “doss about”). Austerity is dead as an explanation its just boring now. Its time for a bit of Maggie’s “household budget” ; Yes we can have more for our safety and well being but the money has to come from taxing “the rich” specially the rootless super rich (never much of an actual possibility in fact I know) and bearing down on welfare.
    In that way Labours spend and spend again will be thrown into relief and the middle class remainers can be reminded that the Labour “free money” will have to come from them, as taxing the very rich rarely actually achieves much real revenue (in the quantities needed) .

  • Odo Saunders

    The comment about the Conservative Party setting up a stall at the next big festival is an interesting one. For many years the Conservative Party has been unable to set up a stall at the Welsh National Eisteddfod due to the fact that no insurance company is prepared to undertake the risk involved. Even my late mother who, unlike myself, was an ardent supporter of the Welsh Nationalist Party, felt that such a state of affairs undermined democracy in Wales.

    • ScaryBiscuits

      And the sad thing is that we found that acceptable. If a festival cannot provide safety, it should be banned. If a university cannot allow freedom of speech then it is not the speaker who should be closed down but the university. If the Scotish Police force cannot allow Nigel Farage to campaign in Edinburgh then we should be replacing that police force.
      It’s time we got aggressive about freedom of speech.

  • nanumaga

    The impending fight over the EU in the Labour Party will be fun. Can the new young voters push Corbyn and Mcdonnell towards supporting the EU? This is was described in The Times as the Leninists vs the John Lennonists, as in hard line old Left vs the millennial ‘Imagine’ mob. Hopefully this will be long, bloody and painful as the latter realise that he’s not the Messiah just a re-branded old marxist hack.

    • Budgie

      Corbyn desperately wants power. He will bend his anti-EU views to get it. There will be no fight.

    • JabbaPapa

      “Imagine” is one of the most objectively evil poems ever written.

      • Harley Quin

        A dreary communist dirge.

  • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

    Interesting recent stories about head teachers attempting to subvert the election result.

    That is what we should be most concerned about – the rabid and bitter educational left controlling education.

    But unfortunately nothing is ever done about it.

    Gove got quite close given the murderous reaction from the Blob.

    Cameron caved in of course – and here we are.

    • Mojo

      This needs to be discussed more. Teaching in this country needs to be blown apart. But how can anyone like Michael Gove achieve anything when his own party is moving further towards a socialist agenda. There is no one strong enough at the moment who is in a position to turn things around. If we had a strong Brexiteer Prime Minister they would have called in all Leavers and the shift would have happened quickly. But we have a very weak Remainer, who refuses to give way on anything even slightly radical. It has opened up the door to hard left Corbynistas and all she can do is allow a Remainer to devise a strong socialist manifesto and the. Try to sell it to a country that voted to leave a corrupt socialist Union. It just shows how out of touch she is.

      • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

        Yes indeed.

        I suspect that the UK will be under the Marxist cosh from next year for about fifteen years at which time the economy and civil order will completely collapse.

        My assessment is that this can no longer be prevented since there is no-one around to to do it and not enough time.

  • grumpyashell

    As time goes by the remainers will slowly come to realise that they have been sold a pup. The news that all the dire warnings about Brexit are false and with the slow demise of the EU,it will dawn on them that we are better of out,it will take time but it will happen. Hopefully they will spend time questioning what they have been told by the media etc .
    It has really got me that over the years the idea that “yoof” culture is the thing we must follow and is religiously unchallenged by any one is strange. All cultures in the past have looked up to their older people as they have the wisdom of experience,this has been lost to our detriment.
    Let the old explain the reasons why some ideas will not work then maybe the right decisions might well be taken and common sense may prevail

    • ScaryBiscuits

      This is the philosophy of the left: everything that is old is bad. They want to erase history as thoroughly as the Chinese erased their medicine during the Cultural Revolution.
      What is less understandable is how keen Conservatives are to embrace socialism.

  • Andrew Tettenborn

    We could do with answering these people in their own language, namely social media. There must be some sympathetic 20-somethings out there prepared to produce some hard-hitting memes (e.g. “Who cares that Corbyn cosied up to violent Irish republicans? … [picture of woman in wheelchair] “I do.”).

    • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

      It is the fact that our fifth rate government has not a clue about these issues which will condemn us to a Marxist government very soon.

      • Mojo

        My son lives and works in Asia. The utter shock and disbelief of what is being reported out there is astounding. BBC propoganda about Corbyn Soon to take power has sent shock waves through the businesses in HK and he genuinely thinks UK is in such imminent danger that even their respected company is holding up decisions regarding London. They want the government to get away from EU asap. They cannot believe that the democracy of the Uk is under threat. Remember many Chinese fled to Hong Kong under Mao and they still remember the killings, mutilations and fear they went through. They all have stable lives and many have successful businesses and their students are still protesting against Chinese rule over HK. They do not understand the students in the west are throwi away their opportunities and their democracy.

        • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

          This can all be traced back to the teacher training colleges of the fifties and sixties and their creeping Marxist control of British education and no attempts having been made to thwart them.

          Much to my surprise, they are winning and will soon be in control of the United Kingdom.

    • James Chilton

      Surely, anyone with any sense will keep away from the “social media”? Why put yourself at risk of personal abuse from complete strangers?

      • Andrew Tettenborn

        Unfortunately the godly here have to get their hands dirty and risk abuse. The young read social media: they don’t read TCW or the Telegraph. Before the election nearly all the social media discussion was vicious unthinking anti-Tory stuff: the balance needs redressing. As Churchill said, we can’t afford to fight this war as gentlemen while allowing the enemy all the advantages of the cad.

        • James Chilton

          I don’t believe people can be reasoned out of what they haven’t been reasoned into. So the”godly” would get their hands dirty in a futile enterprise.

          • Andrew Tettenborn

            Whoever said responses to social media were about reasoning?

          • ScaryBiscuits

            They can be but it takes patience and determination, of the sort that Gove’s advisor Dominic Cummings had. Too many people in politics haven’t got either so on we spiral down.

          • Groan

            Incredibly true. If nothing else Corbyn and his old chums demonstrate the endurance of the “hard” left. An endurance that has paid dividends in the professional bodies (“unions” really but for posher people) of education, public services even the civil service and health services. Bodies that are in fact allowed to control the professions in the fashion of the old Guilds. And in doing so they control the services.
            Gove’s “fall” was an example of a number of ministers getting moved on by the industry they were trying to wrest out of “producer capture”. It should be a warning that whatever the outcomes of “plebgate” within it was a public service union conniving to “get” a minister through nefarious means.
            Farrage laughed at “whose laughing now?” Corbyn parliamentary nonentity and eccentric for decades, riding high with New Labour a fading memory.

          • Bill

            What DID happen to Cummings?

        • Daniel

          ‘The young read social media: they don’t read TCW’, don’t be to sure about that, there are more of us on here than you might think.

          • Andrew Tettenborn

            Rebuke accepted.

          • Reborn

            To be conservative today is to be genuinely alternative for the under 35s.
            Let’s hope today’s alternatives become as mainstream as yesterday’s

      • Mojo

        Social media is the accepted norm nowadays. You only have to walk up any high street or sit in any restaurant an the under 30s are permanently on their phones. They don’t even engage with each other properly. It will end in tears. But it will be their tears, their future and their country.

    • Mojo

      Milo Yiannopoulos is the one person who started the fight back. Unfortunately the present government shut his tour down in Canterbury because activists protested. The students and their parents wanted him to speak but were overruled. He then took his Dangerous Faggots tour to America and you must remember the violence at Berkley where he was in danger of his life and the police did nothing. He has recently said that the UK is lost because too many of our youngsters have been radicalised against aspiration.

      He is a young gay man who really did connect with many students. He talked of keeping children with their mothers until the age of five or six. He talked about women learning to respect themselves again and to work towards worthwhile degrees and to avoid the ‘ologies’ of feminism.

      Unfortunately that didn’t play well with the feminists or the activists or indeed the tutors who want to keep their mediocre jobs on high salaries.

      • Vicky and the Snowflakes

        There is any early video of Milo debating, I think it was at Bristol university. He absolutely demolishes this entitled feminist who is regurgitating the same old tired victimisation narrative. He does it with proper statistics and completely dismantles her argument, she is left speechless. It is also clear that many in the audience and greatly cheered by having someone so erudite challenge the identity politics feelings-over-thoughts whinge-fest.

        Here are the highlights:

        • Mojo

          Vicky thank you for this wonderful link. I follow Milo whenever I can. He has been demonised but he talks the truth and he is passionate about it. Feminism is the scourge of women and it is so upsetting that so many have fallen for it. We truly need to encourage him to return to UK and fight for the whole of youth in this country. The fact that they want to follow an old man with a sinister history is extremely frightening.

          Young people should be following a radical young person who has radical ideas and a radical passion about their generation and their future. It says a lot about a generation who cannot provide more than one person with strong, emotive and debatable ideas.

      • Great Briton

        Exactly, he got closed down. All the odds are stacked against us

    • Vicky and the Snowflakes

      Check out ‘Reem memes with a right wing theme’ on Facebook, they’re doing exactly that, and there are a minority of young people who do not buy what the left are selling. Problem is at least 70% of my generation do not think for themselves, they just go along with the crowd. It’s much easier for them to spout their PC nonsense as it makes them look and feel good around their peers. They aren’t interested in doing their own research. They have a very simplistic and shallow understanding of how the world works; tories are mean, rich people have stolen all the money, old people are all racist. Its very easy for them to fall for the marxist economics and identity politics espoused by the left.

  • Fubar2

    “This is where the battle must be fought, but not with weapons.”

    Therein lies a significant part of the problem, when your political opposition weaponises everything to beat you up with and you dont fight back. You most certainly SHOULD be using whatever weaponry you have to hand to fight back for gods sake. Rope-A-Dope is not a viable political tactic.

    “Give them enough rope, and your deindividuated attackers might hang themselves by libel or hate crime.”

    I disagree. Give them enough rope and they wont hang themselves, it just gives them more rope to hang YOU with. Dont give them any damned rope at all. Let them buy their own damned rope.

    Someday this party might remember where it left its b*lls, because it sure as hell doesnt have any at the moment.

    • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

      Yes, in a nutshell. We will be able to repent at leisure, I suspect, under our new Marxist yoke.

      It really is coming soon..

    • ScaryBiscuits

      To be fair Nail was advocating fighting back, just not physically. He was saying fight them through the law.
      When they commit acts of violence or incite others to do so, report them to the police. If the police do nothing, make a formal complaint. If some lefty judge lets them off, keep on trying. Far more powerful is the fact that you’re prepared to take action against them. At the moment they think they’ve got impunity and that’s what encourages them to become ever more violent.
      The less you can be like Theresa May the better. In the aftermath of the last terrorist attack she said there was far too much tolerance for intolerance but left it at that. Meanwhile her MPs and candidates are being attacked by fascist mobs and she does nothing, not even when Corbyn supporters heckle those who complain about violence in the House of Commons.

      • forgotten_man

        Have you seen these endless video reports where you have an ocean of people openly inciting hate and harm in blatant disregard of the law…and the person(s) who bring this to the attention of the police get arrested….

  • Sharply Unclear

    These lyrics describe things thoughtfully and accurately:

  • RavenRandom

    It’s a worrying time. Corbyn’s Brown Shirts (Momentum) are very aggressive. I’m not convinced that Labour under Corbyn (and particularly McDonnell) would allow more elections should they win in 2022.
    Labour under Corbyn are a populist violent movement, trading on hate of the “other”; beware, they’re just looking for their Reichstag fire moment.

    • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

      Without doubt. The UK is sleepwalking into Stalinist terror. That sounds hysterical but it won’t be the first time by any means.

      • Pretty Polly

        When did Britain have ‘Stalinist terror’ before ?

        • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol


        • JabbaPapa

          1970s Oxford Lecturer booze parties.

    • Andy

      The way they jumped on the Grenville Tower fire one could have almost thought they lit it themselves. They are milking it for all its worth.

      • forgotten_man

        If I read it right, the current mp for that are was on the board that ran the place until a very few years ago.
        Because he is labour no fax indignation in the twittersphere.

        As has been said, if hypocrisy was a hydrocarbon you would drill the left field first.

        • Andy

          The current MP (a woman) was on the Board of the K&CTMO which ran the block, and indeed she was there when the original planning application was submitted – she left the board at the end of the month in which the application was submitted if I recall. This was subsequently withdrawn, but the cladding specification remained exactly the same in the resubmitted application. It is thus correct to assume that she ‘signed off’ the renovation and I have not seen any statement whatsoever to suggest that she objected to it when on the board. It is also worth pointing out that the Tenant Management Organisation had more tenants on the Board than Councillors, admittedly not from that block or estate but tenants had a large voice no matter what the Fascist Corbyn says. I note that the MP hasn’t had much to say for obvious reasons – so her record isn’t properly examined.

          • forgotten_man

            Very detailed…and so very damning as well.
            Its a pity it would be illegal to collect a few of these idiots and rub their noses in the reality.

  • RavenRandom

    Start fighting now. That means the Conservatives rebutting every single false accusation, getting a youth wing going again, hire the social media savvy, scare (justifiably) supporters into deluging money so they have resource, Make sure that in New Venezuela the young know they will be poor and jobless.
    Never neglect your voter base again.
    Don’t do this and you’ll find that Marxists are never voted out of power.

    • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

      Quite true but it is now already too late. There is no recognition, impetus or organization to defeat them.

      • ScaryBiscuits

        It’s never too late. It’s that sort of pessimism that lost the Tories that last election.

        • George Scoresby

          Sorry, but there is no mass party left to do any of this.

      • Pretty Polly

        Judging by today’s proceedings, loads of money is going to be sprayed around for the next Conservative GE victory.

        Any vote buying Corbyn can do, the Conservative Party can do far better…

        • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

          So it looks

        • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

          Yes, perhaps!

    • Pat

      Why does it have to be young people? People of all ages have learnt IT skills, even though they weren’t learnt at school.
      A general recognition that much or possibly most learning takes place outside formal education would go a long way to putting things right.
      After all, Corbyn is no spring chicken.

  • Niall McCrae

    Further evidence of nasty mob behaviour by Corbynites in House of Commons today. See Guido Fawkes:

  • lilly valley

    I would hardly call them ‘educated’ although they are nuts. People like that are always nuts. Check out Pol Pot and Cambodia.

    • Reborn

      French university educated & pal of Sartre etc
      Pol Pot was a textbook example of someone from the Far Left who actually practiced what he preached.
      I admire GBS’s writings, but his politics stank.
      Only yesterday I read his opinion that “only a Communist government should decide
      who is fit to live & who should die”.
      As late as 1939 the excellent Barbara Castle came back from Stalin’s murderous Russia
      with the “I’ve seen the future & it works” garbage.
      No one should forget Corbyn supported the vile East German regime, and his advisors
      simultaneously want us to disarm & support North Korea.
      They are serious.

      • Andy

        Yes, and Barbara Castle towards the end of her life when the evils of Stalin (& Lenin) were well know thanks to Robert Conquest, couldn’t admit that she had been wrong. Corbyn is out of the same mould.

        • Bill

          True – and who is actually taking him on?

          • Andy

            We should – all of us.

        • Corblimey

          Like her mate Hatter sly she did not choose live near her flock!

  • Lagopus scotica

    My husband has noticed the similarities of the rise of Corbyn and H*tler – the cult of personality, turning children against their parents, trying to control the media, incitement to violence (the “day of rage”).

    Perhaps calling his supporters “the Corbyn Youth” might give them pause for thought?

    • Muttley

      I have often seen very vitriolic comments online by young people about how vicious, selfish old people have stolen their future etc etc. I always make a point of asking whether they are referring to their own parents and grandparents, or only other people’s. Never get an answer.

  • guestwho2

    Middle class, educated and vicious…and unemployed, hence the available time for trolling.

  • Nockian

    History should remind them what the fate of the intelligentsia who supported and promoted communism in each and every country where it took hold.

    “…they won’t believe it even if you show them the death camps and the piles of bodies. They won’t believe it until they feel the agony of a military boot crashing into their b@@ls” soviet dissident

  • Coniston

    Theodore Dalrymple, in the opening words of his Introduction to his book ‘Our Culture, What’s Left of It,’ says “The fragility of civilization is one of the great lessons of the twentieth century.”
    The blindness of revolutionaries is the belief that if they can only tear down the culture and civilization that has reared them, they will be able to usher in their imagined utopia. But then the fake trials, executions and gulags will soon arrive.

  • RPM

    ” Theresa May kills babies “, and I bet the b*tch that held up this disgusting banner demands abortion on demand.

    • Bill

      She will also expect the state to subsidise her child-care bills.

    • Partridge

      Perhaps she should be forcibly aborted every time she gets pregnant. I presume trying to re-educate her would be a waste of time and money.

  • Big Vern

    They aren’t educated. They’ve been to one of the newer universities. That’s not the same thing. More likely to have been indoctrinated.

    • Partridge

      It’s not only the new universities unfortunately.

  • Salisbury

    For socialism, parliamentary democracy is not an end in itself. It is one means to the end, which is Socialism, which needs no parliaments. Socialism is perfectly designed for the soundbite era. It can only win by fomenting strong emotion and false promises and inflammatory slogans, not actual discussion of its disastrous policies. It must harness every aspect of national life to achieve socialism and for that reason it can’t tolerate opposition. In the end it’s ideology can’t be applied without destroying traditional liberal democracy. As Lenin and Gramsci hoped, socialism achieved control over several important cultural institutions, and now it is finishing its takeover of a major Party. All revolutions need a cadre of fanatics to intimidate whoever needs to be cowed and keep doubters in its ranks on the path to paradise. The usual pattern of revolutions suggests Momentum’s violence and intolerance will be allowed to run alongside Labour’s more reasonable spokespeople with occasional and short-lived concessions, until the nation is too worn out to care any more. Anyone who believes that liberal parliamentary democracy is worth preserving can no longer vote Labour.

    • Dr Evil

      Socialism is communism with it’s incisors removed.

      • Salisbury

        But not its molars. They grind you down.

      • JabbaPapa

        I think you mean “disguised”.

    • JabbaPapa


  • Pat

    We have a problem caused by telling near 50% of young people that they form an elite. They believe this because they have been told since primary school and likely at home that getting a degree makes you part of an elite. But a self described elite that large obviously implies way too many chiefs and way too few indians. It is a surefire recipe for civil conflict if not civil war. And it should come as no surprise that on discovering that their degrees don’t in fact confer superior status or wealth, indeed commonly don’t provide enough wealth to cover the expenses, that there anger is not directed at the teachers and lecturers that lied to them. All their lives they have believed teachers. They will turn their justifiable rage elsewhere, at least to start with.
    This came about because virtually every successful person went to university and attributed their success to their education. The schools and universities were of course happy to promote this view. In fact most would have succeeded anyway. But since they believed the lie they happily pushed more and more youngsters to universities, who were of course delighted to have the extra business.
    We must start to recognise the education industry as just that, an industry like any other, except for it’s unique power to advertise.
    It does produce a useful product, the increase of human capital, but like any other product its usefulness is not universal, and the producer wants to sell as much as possible at the highest price he can get.

    • Reborn

      100% on the ball.
      In the days well before Blair’s “unis” were created, most university courses were either
      (1) Practical. In which case well paid jobs were guaranteed.
      (2) Purely academic.
      In these cases the undergrads were middle/upper middle class types
      who were not expecting much financial reward – though some could end up as
      reviewers/BBC types/classics tutors etc.
      Today, many graduates find little work in the field of BlackMedia Studies & Performance Art.
      Sadly, some do, thanks to the Arts Council & the BBC.
      Some even become university tutors themselves, passing on misinformation to the
      next generation of Disappointed Ones.

    • Dr Evil

      50% of youngsters go to ‘university’ and it used to be about 8% 45 years ago. The collective IQ has not increased. Therefore most of the 50% cannot actually master a true academic, rigorous degree. They are being lied to and milked of money by their loan. Their degrees are useless.

      • Bill

        I’d say their degrees are worse than useless. I looked after student houses in the ’90s and one group of 4 was studying, and writing essays, on the sociological aspects of Ren and Stimpy. All the paperwork was abandoned when they left.

        There was a two foot pile of essays and notes to take away and I skimmed a few pages. There was not a single mention of anything worth the attention of anyone over the age of 8. I kid you not. This is the generation that’s now going hysterical about Corbyn and McDonnell.

        • Harley Quin

          I have not heard of Stimpy. However, no doubt the papers on Ren are a critical analysis of the core Confucian virtue ?

      • JabbaPapa

        My final degree is almost completely useless, but at least the Sorbonne taught me how to think — hint : not like a special rainbow snowflake gender-fluid hissy unicorn.

        • Harley Quin

          Provided it didn’t teach you to think like Habermas, Althusser, Lacan, Deleuze and the rest of ‘the nonsense factory’ – Roger Scruton.

          Not to mention Foucault. Scruton has some respect for Mr Foucault, who acquired AIDS in the bath houses of San Francisco whilst expressing his true self. However his pretensions and poor scholarship were nicely exposed by Merquior.

          • JabbaPapa

            The first you mention have little influence these days — well, Lacan still has some. The only one of the French structuralists and post-structuralists still pulling any academic weight is Gérard Genette, basically because he’s a superb technical analyst.

            But I strongly disagree with you about Foucault, except the part about his sexuality.

            There are some parts of his thinking that I don’t agree with, but his model of how societies and cultures change over time is invaluable IMO. His atheism and homosexuality don’t really interfere with the core of his work. Anyway, I’m a student of a student of his, so I can’t help but be a Foucauldian.

          • Harley Quin

            It’s good to see someone admitting to their likely bias.

          • JabbaPapa

            Foucault’s analysis is Marxisant

            No — he strongly rejected the Marxist dialectic prevalent among most of his Parisian contemporaries, and his social theory is radically incompatible with Socialist/Soviet ideology.

            Sorokin’s argument that Civilisations / Cultures rise and fall according to their orientation to the spiritual

            … is not actually incompatible with Foucault, who simply left matters spiritual to the preferences of his readers.

          • Harley Quin

            I agree that Foucault’s relationship with Marxism was remote. Still, his analysis was based on class and conflict in a Marxisant way.

            As regards Sorokin, I did not in fact set him as against Foucault.

          • JabbaPapa

            I agree that Foucault’s relationship with Marxism was remote. Still, his analysis was based on class and conflict in a Marxisant way.

            Ah, I see what you’re getting at, but it’s a misreading.

            Foucault’s descriptions of society based on class was not a top-down prescriptive theory, as in Marxism, but rather an analysis of a current state of affairs in the late 20th Century — yes he presented it as transient, but he did not construe this transience as a negative, but rather as a particular state in the contemporary society that had come into being for historical-cultural-societal reasons having their origin in the start of the Middle Ages.

            He certainly did not view any sort of “class struggle” as being endemic to the human condition !! He viewed that particular 20th Century society as being part of a series of cultural shifts, no particular state of a society being considered a priori as good or bad in itself, but only a posteriori in relationship with some broader civilisational and ethical values, and with the question of whether that society provided healthy or unhealthy relationships with its constituent individuals.

            His notion of conflict was not only non-Marxist, it was overtly anti-Marxist and anti-collectivist.

            He viewed the location of conflict as being that of the individual versus (not “against”) the group — which is to say that the individual defines himself in and by his differences with the group, and the conflict that this engenders both opposes him to the group but also should provide the means for his reconciliation with the group and the group’s reconciliation with him. This is not ideologically predicated, which is to say that it remains true whatever the prevailing ideology of any group may be ; the analysis is just as (theoretically) valid for a young squire seeking to join an Order of Catholic Knights in the 1200s as for a bearded trotskyite seeking to become PM and enforce Marxist ideology upon everyone.

            He defined madness as the individual being against the group, instead of “versus”.

            Marxist ideology conceives only in terms of groups, this group against that group, these against those. It has no genuine conception of the individual as such, except as something to be stamped out (viz. Orwell passim). Implicitly, from the Foucauldian position, Marxist ideology is therefore based on madness, because instead of it being a healthy social structure which resolves (inevitable) conflicts into a novel & yet healthy relationship between the individual and the group, it radically places every individual in a situation of permanent conflict against the group, with the ideological goal that the individuality is a negative that must be destroyed and absorbed.

            As BTW the very topic of the thread suggests.

          • Harley Quin

            Thanks for the effort put into this post. You know a lot more about Foucault than I do, but I know enough for me to get tired of his tedious focus on power relations.

            He seems not capable of accepting that there are going to be power imbalances in any society and that the way to deal with them is simply for them to work themselves out in a Darwinian way only moderated by law and custom. Anything else tends to tyranny, as we are serving with political correctness.

            Incidentally, I don’t accept Foucault’s notion that we define ourselves by setting ourselves against the group. That may be so with some people such as a homosexual like Foucault but I should have thought that in general the opposite is true: we define ourselves by relating to the group and any sub group we choose to belong to.

            In a nutshell, it is my empirical observation in life that people take for granted what they have in common and concentrate on the differences.

      • Harley Quin

        The collective IQ has actually decreased.

  • Andy

    It is a huge problem and one that the Government and the Conservative Party are not addressing nor do I think are willing to address. You start by attacking the ‘control’ the Fascist Left has in our society. Take the BBC. It spouts out left drivel 24/7 and dominates broadcast news provision with, I believe, 70+% of the market. Take an axe to it. Make it subscription and reduce the number of channels it can have – we need a Fox News. Next what about the Quangos where the Fascist Labour Party hold sway. Stuff the boards with Conservatives and abolish as many as possible. Move on to the Universities and Schools. How about a dose of privatisation and bring in education vouchers. I also think we need to rethink tax policy. It is ok taking out of taxation large swath of the low paid, but that means they then have no incentive to vote for low tax parties. Maybe this is the wrong policy. In Sweden you only have to have a quite low income and you pay tax. Perhaps we should copy that idea. And maybe we should move to a Flat Tax, destroy ‘progressive taxation’.

    • ReefKnot

      A Flat tax is “progressive” . The more money you earn, the more tax you pay.

  • Muttley

    Excellent article. But we really need a comprehensive plan to defeat these destructive leftist delusions. I think one of the major elements of such a strategy is to urgently deal with the BBC, which is one of the major promoters and sustainers of leftist liberal ideology. It is a massive advantage for the left to have the publicly-funded national broadcaster backing their stance on any given issue and purveying fake news on their behalf. The BBC is now so brazen and impervious that even the wet Conservatives must see that some action needs to be taken.

    • kinabalu

      Tricky one this. Because neutrality can look like left bias to a passionate right winger. Ditto the other way around. Your typical hardcore Corbynista probably views the Beeb as a hotbed of Thatcherism.

    • It’s tricky, yes, but it can also be done. Yesterday a suit was filed in New York (which reputable sources has a good chance of winning) by Sarah Palin against the NY Times for libel, with reference to their comparing the the recent assassination attempt on Congressman Steve Scalise to the attack on Rep Gabby Giffords when they attempted to blame that attack on as stupid ad of hers. The story was debunked almost instantly, but they replayed it without mentioning that. In any case the bar for a suit by a public person against a media outlet is very, very high, but this one may well win.

      One also should watch as the disembowelling of CNN and the Washington Post due to their Russia narrative (backed by almost no facts at all) continues apace.

      Granted BBC has tax money, but it still can be (and must be, I think) done.

  • kinabalu

    This idea that Corbyn’s success is all about the fickle youth vote offers false comfort to the Conservatives. The reality is that Labour is preferred by all age groups up to around 55 and they enjoy a clear lead amongst the employed and the educated. The Conservatives have come to rely very heavily on the support of pensioners and of people with little or no educational attainment. Now those are two enormous groupings, hence the narrow win at the polls, but it is precarious. Unless the Conservatives widen their appeal Corbyn probably wins next time.

    • Snoffle Gronch

      Those aren’t two enormous groupings, but one. Older people didn’t accumulate large numbers of spurious, undemanding qualifications from mock Universities – it simply wasn’t the fashion then to give degrees in manicure and watching the TV.

      Equally the young aren’t educated or well qualified – they merely have bits of paper excusing their astonishing illiteracy, innumeracy, credulous ignorance and stupidity.

      The canard is a favourite with the fatuous BBC – a sure sign of a spurious proposition.

      • kinabalu

        Nice try!

        • Terry Mushroom

          Any reason for that comment?

          • kinabalu

            On reflection a bit lazy of me.

            The point made that the shortage of educational achievement amongst the over 65s has much to do with the lack of opportunity back in the day is a good one.

            A little spoilt by the peevish nonsense about young people’s supposed limitations compared to their elders, but still.

          • JabbaPapa

            the shortage of educational achievement amongst the over 65s has much to do with the lack of opportunity back in the day

            What, you mean back in the day of Government-paid free University places via opportunities from free education in grammar schools via the 11+ ?

            As compared to the gross educational freefall that the younger generations have suffered through from the Comprehensive system and pretending that a polytechnic is a university, and that such courses as ‘Feel the Force: How to Train in the Jedi Way’ – Queens University Belfast are “higher education” ?

          • kinabalu

            Yes that is what I mean. The time when university was restricted to those from grammar schools and private schools. Today that is not the case. Far more kids get the chance. Which is great. What is not so great is that some of the degrees are not rigorous, many students graduate with a large debt, private school products still colonize the elite places, and our economy is increasingly biased towards low skill grunt jobs.

          • JabbaPapa

            More is not better, particularly not when standards are deliberately lowered in order to achieve it.

          • kinabalu

            The ideal is that a university education is available to all of those and only those who are capable of it and would benefit from it. That is not where we are, I agree. But we are closer than we were in the days when only grammars and private schools supplied the intake. You have a dim and jaundiced view of the potential of our kids if you want to wind the clock back on this.

          • JabbaPapa

            Well the French method is to open the Universities to nearly everyone, but then be utterly brutal from semester to semester in weeding out those incapable of getting the work done at least averagely. Failure rate after first year is something like 80%.

          • Terry Mushroom

            Young people often ask very good questions. And knowing what the questions are is a very good start.

            But they don’t necessarily have the wisdom or experience to know where to find the answers. Be assured that the older I get the more I realise how little I know. Educational achievement is not a sign of wisdom, although it can contribute towards it.

      • Cassandra

        As has been pointed out on this site before now, ‘ education’ in the humanities and social sciences these days is more an indoctrination in leftism.

        The young who don’t go to university but who are plunged early into the nitty gritty of earning a living have a surer grasp on reality than anyone waving a bit of paper from an erstwhile Polytechnic.

      • Corblimey

        Are you saying my ph.d in black lesbian flower arranging that cost me 45,000. is worthless.

        • CRSM

          I’m afraid so. Now if it was a doctorate in Black lesbian ex-nun flower arranging you’d be in great demand.

      • Harley Quin

        In day gone by, people did HNC and HND in practical subjects which were and are worth a lot more than a good many modern ‘degrees’.

    • AtilaTheHen

      Maybe we need him to win just once to give the millennial snowflakes a taste of what Corbyn’s Marxist policies taste like in the cold light of day. Maybe the millennials need to experience their own winter of discontent.

      • kinabalu

        But it is not all about millennials. Lab lead all age groups up to 55.

        • AtilaTheHen

          Right up to the age group that will have no personal memory of how awful it can be to have a left wing Labour government. Fifty year olds were in primary school in 1978. They don’t really remember how bad things were and how close Labour came to destroying the country. They have recollection of New Labour. They probably believe that things will be like they were under Blair. What they don’t realise is that Corbyn is an economic illiterate and his sidekick McDonald is an even more dangerous fanatic than can be imagined. The proof of the pudding as they say.

          • kinabalu

            I don’t share your politics but your point about the importance of time passing and the fading of collective memory is a good one. The Thatcher Blair consensus has reigned for as long as most can remember and for longer than many have been alive. If it is not delivering for many people it is natural for them to want a change and examples of change that they might consider perfectly reasonable are to raise taxes on the better off and on companies, upgrade the NHS, take utilities into public ownership, make tertiary education free to the student etc. If these things make sense to them in the here and now they will not be put off by sepia tinted footage of Harold Wilson and Jim Callaghan. The same thing helps the Tories too. As the Thatcherite devastation of the North and Scotland fades into history, the people up there who do not remember it become more open minded about the Conservatives and prepared to give their offering a fair hearing, perhaps even vote for it.

    • Cassandra

      The problem with the young is that they are indeed too young to have known the disaster that socialism is in action.

      Perhaps each generation needs to learn this lesson afresh the hard way.

      Someone should point out that Corbyn’s tax on the ‘rich’ will just mean they will flee abroad as they have done in the past, especially the foreign wealthy, taking their money with them.

      That and the garden tax will crush the housing market, leaving many young people / couples with negative equity.

      The tax burden will fall on the striving classes, meaning they will be less inclined to strive and more inclined to emigrate…

      Other taxes will have to rise to pay for the spending, probably on VAT…

      Meantime open borders means further huge numbers of immigrants arriving to crowd our Hospital waiting rooms and schools, clog our roads, concrete over our market towns for housing, jostle for the available jobs, and create the conditions for ethnic conflict….

      The litany of disasters the country suffered under previous Labour governments rises like some awful spectre……

    • The Wiganer

      Don’t you feel even the slightest unease that the working poor, the very people Labour was set up to represent, no longer support them?

      Don’t you feel concerned that the biggest opposition to immigration comes from those directly on the receiving end of it?

      • kinabalu

        Well yes and no. The core policies that Labour espouse will benefit working class people the most. That is as it should be. Nevertheless you are right that many of those people are so passionately against immigration that they cannot support Labour because they feel (correctly) that the party does not reflect this sentiment. That is a problem but I do not want to see it resolved by the party becoming anti immigration. Firstly that would IMO be a bad policy for the country as a whole. And secondly it would be electorally damaging because the votes gained from the ‘patriotic’ white working class would be outweighed by those lost from the other elements of the Corbyn coalition – the young, BME, educated liberals, moderate remoaners, public sector workers etc.

  • forgotten_man

    It seems to be true, or more true anyway, now that the ‘crowd’ seems to spout general hate without any visible attempt at analysis.
    I had a run in with the ‘friends’ , i empathise that word as so far in the 30 years that I know she has known them she has plainly never disagreed with their politics.
    I have always got on with her, always liked her but don’t share any of her left views.

    When I had the temerity to suggest that Trump was probably the ‘least worst’ option on facebook, providing my reasoning, I was jumped upon from a great height by the leftie nasties,

    Many insults and aspirations on my character were instantly dispatched, my favourite was ‘knuckle dragging arms dealer’

    What really bothers me, and should you, is what if some of these complete unprincipled morons ever got into real power.

    the return of the ‘standard issue’ kicking in the doors of the ‘wrong thinkers’ at 3 a.m. methinks…

  • Dominic Stockford

    “This is useful in understanding behaviour on the internet, where status is marked by liberal attitudes and virtue-signalling.”

    I must be the one carrying all the rest then, down in the mire….

  • kinabalu

    I presume that the people moaning about the left’s deft and devious use of the internet in GE17 were also deeply and vocally unhappy about the alt-right online mobilization for Trump in US16?

    • Snoffle Gronch


      Oh, dear.

      • kinabalu


    • Many of them, yes. Obviously, Trump being in the USA attracted less attention, but there was plenty of comment along those lines, yes.

      • kinabalu

        Ok well good, because hyper-aggression + smearing + disregard for the truth and for reason and basic decency is a blight whoever and wherever. IMO it reached record levels with Trump. Perhaps because the candidate himself wholeheartedly embraced it as his MO.

        • Indeed. Does it make it right when Labour copies the strategy?

          • kinabalu

            Certainly not. Trump and Trumpery was and is a disgrace and I am happy to condemn any similar type stuff from the left. I believe in rational discourse.

          • hobspawn

            “…hyper-aggression + smearing + disregard for the truth and for reason and basic decency… …IMO it reached record levels with Trump…”

            “I believe in rational discourse.”

            Nope. You are a troll and a moron. Go and join a soros-riot somewhere and leave us adults to chat.

          • kinabalu

            A troll and a moron? Moi? … hardly!

            I am here to inform and educate.

          • JabbaPapa

            inform and educate

            Your spouting of propaganda is neither information nor education.

            Your actual purpose (since you want me to be on-topic re. the article) is what’s described above as “behaviour on the internet … marked by liberal attitudes and virtue-signalling

            Nobody forced you to come on here and attack Donald Trump for so-called “hyper-aggression + smearing + disregard for the truth and for reason and basic decency” or call him “a blight”, did they, no you just came in and spontaneously engaged in the very activities denounced by the blog author, though whether because of a desire to engage in trolling or because you genuinely cannot see what you’re doing due to the cognitive dissonance referred to or if you simply think that the mob-rule groupthink that the author denounces is actually somehow a positive.

          • kinabalu

            Hang on a sec. So merely to point out (for accuracy and perspective and balance) that parts of the right behaved abysmally on the internet in support of Trump is incontrovertible evidence that I am either trolling or virtue-signalling, or that I support mob rule, or that I am afflicted by … wait for it … ‘cognitive dissonance’?

            That seems extremely harsh!

            Do you not on reflection think you are being a bit of a snowflake?

          • JabbaPapa

            that parts of the right behaved abysmally on the internet

            I cannot remember criticising you for reminding people of that, I was reacting to your presence on the anti-Trump bandwagon.

            I said that “I can’t tell”, and I mean it — those were just some guesses, though BTW I did not accuse you of “supporting mob rule”, I wondered if you might be motivated by “groupthink”.

            Maybe you can enlighten us as to your motivations ? (and sorry, “inform and educate” won’t do, some of us in here are clever enough to spot attempts to indoctrinate when we see them)

            I mean, I was only doing as you asked — keeping on-topic by referring to the suggestions in the article analysing the current political activity of the Left.

          • kinabalu

            Well I am very anti Trump. I hate it that a guy like that is President of the US. Makes me feel sad and pessimistic.

            Reason I’m on here is that I like arguing politics. Best place to do that is where most people disagree with you.

        • hobspawn

          I’m glad you said ‘IMO’ in this week when we see that a CNN producer admits that there is nothing in the Russian collusion story they have run sixteen thousand times, and referred to it as a ‘witch hunt’.

          As for aggression, smearing and disregard for truth, Scott Foval, Robert Creamer and ‘bird dogging’.

          Please cite examples of Trump or his supporters aggressing, smearing, or disregarding truth, otherwise your post is just more very fake news.

          • Harley Quin

            A CNN boss admitted in a secretly filmed chat that the Russia thing is ‘a nonsense burger’ but that it was good for ratings.

            So much for the MSM.

          • JabbaPapa

            God Bless Project Veritas.

          • kinabalu

            Mmm IMO. But some opinions are more valuable than others let’s face it. Cite examples of Trump supporters telling porkies? We’d be here all day! Maybe a little ‘compos mentis’ test is in order. Pizzagate? Any truth in that you reckon? Oh and Sandy Hook. Did that really happen? Etc.

        • Brunswick

          You have an epic disregard for the truth[ as well as being monumentally smug and self satisfied]. It was Trump and his largely working class supporters, who were on the receiving end of smearing and hyper aggression, by a combination of hired thugs [Chicago in particular], and heavily indoctrinated, over educated violent liberals. You pompous establishment types need to drop the self congratulatory attitude and look seriously at why Trump won, why Brexit won and why, despite the most inept political campaign in British political history, the Tories are still in power in coalition with a more right wing party.

          • kinabalu

            I will ignore the silly low-rent insults in order to focus on the interesting question you pose. Why did Trump and Brexit win? The answer is clear enough. The seductive appeal of nativist nationalism to poorly educated and gullible white working class people in the west who are getting stiffed by globalization. I hope that this nonsense has peaked now and is on its way out. Wilders’ flop in Holland, Corbyn’s excellent performance here, the Macron landslide in France, Merkel’s recovery in Germany, all of these are positive developments. Don’t get me wrong, I want to see change, just not in a nationalist direction. That stuff is poisonous. It exploits the very people it pretends to be representing. I am fair square on the left but if I were faced with a choice between a moderate Conservative party and an insular nationalistic Labour party, I would vote Tory.

          • JabbaPapa

            poorly educated and gullible white working class people

            So that’s supercilious, superior, racist, and classist — what other tricks have you got up your sleeve ? Let’s see …

            Corbyn’s excellent performance

            So losing an election is “excellent” ?

            the Macron landslide in France

            18% of the French voted for him in the second round, 82% did not — what you’re cheering about is the collapse of democracy as such

            an insular nationalistic Labour party

            What, like the SNP you mean ?

          • kinabalu

            (i) Being white and working class does not immunize a person from being poorly educated and gullible. Why would it.

            (ii) Yes. The Cons losing their majority when the consensus expectation was a landslide win represents an excellent result for Corbyn’s Labour. Everyone accepts that.

            (iii) Macron won easily under the rules. If you want to go with a ‘did not vote’ analysis you need to compare that 82% to the equivalent much higher % who did not vote for Le Pen.

            (iv) Not really. I am not a big fan of the SNP but their brand of nationalism is not of the softhead xenophobic variety.

          • JabbaPapa

            the equivalent much higher % who did not vote for Le Pen

            And thank heavens, but what does she have to do with anything ?

            Macron is just as much a populist as she is …

          • kinabalu

            He’s a populist but not a xenophobic nationalist.

            Le Pen is relevant for 2 reasons:

            1. She was Macron’s opponent. And we were discussing his margin of victory.

            2. She is a xenophobic nationalist. And we were discussing the rise and (hopefully) fall of xenophobic nationalism.

          • JabbaPapa

            we were discussing his margin of victory

            … which you erroneously referred to as a “landslide” — Macron’s actual hold on power is so weak in real terms that he’s intending to rule by decree, rig the electoral system, and do everything he can to weaken Parliament.

            Macron won with 49.12% of the ballot (there were a massive 10% of blank or spoiled ballots) and 18.1% of registered voters. “landslide” ??? Get real. The actual landslide was how many simply refused to vote for either candidate : 61.7%

            And there has been no “rise” of “xenophobic nationalism” in France, there’s been a massive rise in protest voting against crap establishment candidates, like Macron — the actual level of genuine support for the FN has been hovering at about 5% for decades, and it’s going nowhere.

            Your whole narrative is blinking F for Fake.

          • kinabalu

            Macron won the Presidential race by a 2:1 margin and his party took a large overall majority in Parliament. Landslide is a suitable word that we can use for that scale of political victory. The stats on non-voters are interesting but not relevant. If you look at non-voters even the Thatcher and Reagan and Blair ‘landslides’ were not. Please do not waste my time on having to refute silly points like that because I would rather concentrate on your better quality contributions.

            Such as that point about the FN. I think you are probably right. Perhaps there has been not so much a rise in xenophobic nationalism as a rise in voting against the establishment (in France and elsewhere). Maybe Corbyn got the benefit of that in our GE. Bernie Sanders did quite well too in the US of course.

            Trouble is, unlike with Jezza and Bernie, the receptacle of the anti establishment protest vote often IS something that reeks of xenophobic nationalism, so it can be damn tricky to tell the two things apart.

          • JabbaPapa

            The stats on non-voters are interesting but not relevant. If you look at non-voters even the Thatcher and Reagan and Blair ‘landslides’ were not. Please do not waste my time on having to refute silly points like that

            No, it’s not a silly point, when 60% of the electorate end up not voting at all in the presidential elections, though a majority still keep on voting in the local elections, what you’re looking at isn’t just some mere numbers about election results, you’re looking at a country that is in the midst of a political and institutional meltdown. Less than half of the minority who bothered turning up on polling day voted for the winning candidate — France’s political crisis turned this election into first-past-the-post, and among a field of loser candidates getting whatever meager handful of % points, the winner was whichever one of them did the least badly.

            I know you want to keep on with your narrative of “landslide victory against xenophobic nationalism”, but that’s all just political propaganda ideological bollox, to put it politely.

            I’ve never in the 40 or so years I’ve been here seen such complete apathy about the elections, and the previous one was pretty ghastly too — Hollande was elected because the French thought nobody could be as bad as Sarko, but Hollande proved them very, very wrong. This go round, it was anything except anyone from the two old main parties — though the Socialists have been obliterated over the past 5 years, and may quite possibly never recover.

            France is desperately in need of a new political model, and Macron is most certainly not going to give it one. So what’s next — 75% non-voters in 2022, and let’s carry on calling this democracy ? For the first time ever, there was a news report this year about a polling station that had a 0% turnout ; not even the village mayor voted.

            Not voting at all is becoming the single most effective protest vote of them all. Talking about so-called “landslides” in the face of it is just naive.

          • kinabalu

            Agree with most of that. Not the objection to the word ‘landslide’ (it certainly was by the conventional meaning) but about the apathy and the deep structural problems in France and the need for a new model and the massive rejection of the mainstream parties and that the election was not exclusively or even mainly about xenophobic nationalism. Still, Le Pen was looking like going close at one point and if she had won then it would have been a red letter day for xenophobic nationalism. And Macron? I am a little more optimistic than you but my knowledge of France and its politics is not deep. If you have lived there for 40 years then you must be up to your armpits in it.

          • JabbaPapa

            Le Pen was looking like going close at one point

            Only from an outsider’s point of view, and in the typical pre-election scaremongering to sell papers.

          • hobspawn

            “The seductive appeal of nativist nationalism to poorly educated and
            gullible white working class people in the west who are getting stiffed
            by globalization.”

            I hate to burst your bubble of pure bullshit, but take me as an example. I am native British middle class with a degree in a fundamental science. I have been voting for Brexit since the 1990s because I believe the EU is undemocratic and destined to fail in chaos. I was involved with a campaign during the referendum in which the overwhelming majority of the volunteers were educated middle class patriots who hate what the EU is doing to Europe, not just Britain. Moreover, in our campaign team there were a significant number of immigrants, especially from Europe.

            You can go on spouting your comfortable little myths but it won’t stand round here, troll. We are the less deceived.

          • kinabalu

            Although support amongst poorly educated white working class people was a large part of why Brexit won they were by no means the only significant constituent. It was a coalition obviously. It had to be to get over the line. And another grouping (older, more educated, more affluent, mainly white, majority male, the ‘sovereignty wonks’, the Rees Moggs of this world, the IDS types, usually Con voters, mainly in the shires, gin and jag, the old colonels, the dissatisfied and discombobulated of Tunbridge Wells, all of those people) played a big part. This is what you are referring to.

          • JabbaPapa

            poorly educated white working class people … (older, more educated, more affluent, mainly white, majority male

            tum te tum

            Will you never give it a rest with these grotesque identity politics ?

          • kinabalu

            I am pleased that you have a distaste for identity politics. I share that distaste. An opinion on and an analysis of who voted for what is not identity politics. Identity politics is where you pitch an appeal to a certain discreet segment of society (usually based on race or religion, but not necessarily) and are not overly concerned with the rest. Couple of examples would be the BNP or (if we had one) a ‘Muslim Brotherhood’ party. We could think of others. I tend to disapprove strongly of such parties and their supporters.

          • JabbaPapa

            It’s not an “analysis”, it’s a product of caricature and cliché.

          • kinabalu

            Fair cop. It is cliched and infected by caricature. All such attempts to generalize are. Even I cannot avoid it entirely. Still, one has to have a go because one cannot be personally acquainted with more than a tiny tiny fraction of the UK electorate. The key point to understand is that it is not identity politics.

          • JabbaPapa

            The key point to understand is that it is not identity politics

            Well that’s fair enough anyway.

          • kinabalu

            Identity politics, big no no. Dehumanizes and ends badly.

        • JabbaPapa

          You appear to be exemplary of the alt-left lynch mob mentality referred to in the article.

          • kinabalu

            Oh come on. Why not engage with the topic?

          • JabbaPapa

            oh, the irony …

          • kinabalu

            But seriously – why post on a thread if you aren’t really contributing?

          • hobspawn

            “Oh come on. Why not engage with the topic?”

            He has probably blocked you for trolling, rightly.

          • kinabalu

            Would appear not. It is still chuntering!

  • MULTICULTURALISM IS GENOCIDE activist pack – leaflets stickers note stamp

    • Leicesterfan

      Go back to stormfront you loon.

      • hobspawn

        No, he’s right, multiculturalism really is genocide.

        • Harley Quin

          I believe that, as practiced in this country, that is the case according to UN definitions.

  • digitaurus

    Thank you for an interesting article. Unfortunately, deindividuation is alive and well on the Right as well as on the Left.

  • Lancastrian Oik

    The only thing more utterly, utterly naff than going to Glastonbury is to go to Glastonbury and when there sing “Oh, Jeremy Corbyn” to the riff from “Seven Nation Army”.

    • Anybody who wants to sit around in mud for a week is welcome to use my back garden. I’ll only charge them £100

  • Cassandra

    What is going to happen, and the left won’t like it, is when the white population cotton on to identity politics. After all, if every other ethnicity is treated with reverence by our political class / media, the scam whereby white people alone are vilified as ‘racists’ if they identify ethnically and try to promote their ethnic interests can’t be sustained for ever.

    • nanumaga

      Tell that to the Welsh….The Liverpudlians have had a good crack at being victims for some time now.

      • CRSM

        The Liverpudlians are very skilled at being professional victims.

    • Harley Quin

      It’s already happening. That’s what Brexit was about (mostly).

  • John Smith

    I think its much simpler

    the millennials dont remember the 70s and 80s

    anybody that does would never vote for socialist parties and their union paymasters

    simple as that,remember we havent voted in a true socialist labour party in 50 yrs

    but the problem is that we may have to try them again for people to learn the truth

    my question is why the lefty liberal MSM never do any in depth coverage of


    A rich country destroyed by a socialist govt

    and one Jeremy corbyns gone very quiet about

    • Sheik Rhat el Anrhol

      All true which is why we will have to sample Corbyn in power.

      • hobspawn

        You can’t take the salt out of the coffee.

  • Great Briton

    Good article but very depressing. Our “leaders” are scared to tackle any of these issues. Theresa May doesn’t have any guiding principals.
    We need a Trump

  • franknowzad

    Not educated, indoctrinated. The Tory party should make the BBC subscription only and introduce vouchers for schooling ASAP, not all the little dears will grow out of socialism.

  • Ravenscar

    Most young people are not destructive, but given compelling group forces, the calmest person is susceptible to lynch mob mentality.

    Good grief, that’s a most dreadful accusation but I’ll not argue with it, mass hysteria is a powerful force and never for the good.

    A work colleague who used to like to throw in a wobbler as we say oop t’north, used to say, “wind ’em up and watch ’em tick”.

    Cultural Marxism, by itvery core doctrines fashions creates social divisiveness, they name it multcult. Saul Alinsky and his ‘rules for radicals’ is the handbook, Barrack Obama was a political organizer, hellary failed but the president is in the firing line and all hell has been let loose, over the pond and now the corbynistas seek to wind up their cult eejits and set ’em to tick, they bloody well have. All of it, has been formulated through the unions and closely broadcast, encouraged and choreographed by a mendacity in the media which for the ordinary Brit – is very, very hard to fathom.

    There is a feeling of great public unease, raw nerves from attacks in Westminster, London Bridge and Manchester have shaken many Brits to their core and still the lies go on, “it’s nothing to do with Islam”? I don’t think ‘cognitive dissonance’ does that particular sort of political deceit justice – this is plain denial of the noses on their faces and political correctness or expediency demands it – that is appallingly crass as it is unconscionable. Why then, am I not in the least bit surprised?

    Then the Grenfell fire, somehow allowed corbyn to march up the top of the hill to the moral high ground and why, everybody and his dog knows full well that labour are as, if not more than, responsible for bringing about the circumstances which lead to that human tragedy than any other political party not least with their mates sitting across on the government green benches. Again, here, with corbyn the televisual media played a blinder ‘corbyn visits the scene’ and scurrilously smeared the sitting PM but to what end and other than ignoring the deaths of many innocents, for political gain only, is the answer.
    McDonnell can spout what he likes and gets away with it, no one but no one challenges his poisonous sound bites or extreme left doctrine, why the hell not?
    Other forces are at work here in Britain, aiming to destabilize, agitate, foment and cause general disruption, crikey I don’t have much truck with the tories, they sold Britain out long ago but when compared with the alternative, it doesn’t bear thinking about.

    In Britain, we have no choice other than, the devil you really don’t want to know and the devils you despise.

    Necessity is becoming desperation, we really do need to find a new way, as we descend into the midden only a character of enormous conviction and moral fibre would be able to summon the strength.

    Finally, is the will there, for I don’t remotely perceive it.

    • Harley Quin

      It was leftist utopian social engineers who dreamt up these awful tower blocks in the first place.

  • JabbaPapa

    There is a dedicated witch hunt ongoing against the Catholic Church in Australia, and it is extremely nasty — their Police have dedicated a massive 25% of its child sex crimes resources into the investigation of Catholic priests, despite there being only about 2,500 of them in a general population of about 24 million with about 350,000 reports of some child abuse annually — it is preposterous to suppose that these 2,500 priests might be responsible for a quarter of these cases, or 87,500 of them, 35 every year on average for each priest.

    Obviously, there is a desire by someone very high up in the Australian Police or its National Government to deliberately target the Catholic Church in Australia, and the accusations just made against Cardinal Pell are therefore highly suspect in their very nature. Australian liberals positively loathe the Cardinal, and they have already made several quite violent attempts at false accusations against him in the past. The number of accusations made against priests in Australia is also grotesquely inflated, beyond any manner of credibility.

    There is, among Australians, a deeply ingrained cultural loathing of the Catholic Church, no matter that their routine insults against the Faith are provided with a g’day and a smile.

    There’s a worse aspect though than the witch hunt, which is that the Police is deliberately wasting valuable money and human resources to attack the Church, the proper use of which is instead to protect children in the general population from criminal abuses. It is to shift the focus away from some clear underlying problems of Australian society by designating a scapegoat instead.

    Which is not to say that the Australian Church hasn’t been almost completely taken over by homosexual liberal clergy nor that all these accusations of child abuse (AKA homosexual predation upon adolescent boys) are false.

    But given the sheer degree of hatred that Pell is subjected to and the long history of attempts by liberals to smear him for basically not being one of these trendy friendly PC pro-gay liberal catholics, I have a hard time believing these latest accusations, and am in this particular instance a firm defender of the principle “presumed innocent until proven guilty”.

    • Harley Quin

      I’m willing to place a large bet that the police don’t use anything like such resources on Imams and the practices of Islam.

      • Liberanos

        Ah, but the priesthood have somewhat limited abilities with knives and bombs.

  • Tom Burroughes

    I often read that people voting for JC are often “educated”, but that surely is a damning indictment on the content of modern education, surely. It suggests to me that rather having a rounded view of the world, with an ability to see different points of view, weigh evidence and test theories and see matters in a historical context, such people are totally lacking. Anyone who believes in socialism, who opposes private property, open markets, freedom of the individual and the need for certain checks on government power is, I humbly submit, showing themselves to be a poor thinker.

  • secretpeople

    Thing is, you can start out being “the young graduate class with their liberal views, now shifting further to the left” and as you mature, life and wisdom unfurl and you can wake up one day to the realisation you are now “socially conservative and worried about the future of [your] country due to mass immigration, the growing influence of Islam, and the relentless advance of cultural Marxism and identity politics.” These two positions are not mutually exclusive.

  • Aisla Sinclair

    Don`t forget Prince Philips Dictum.
    Maybe not yet as verifiable as Festinger…but worth a research grant.
    He said that the ending of Empire mean that the nations nannies, bossyboots and do-gooding classes no longer had the exotica and natives of foreign climes to push around any more. So the worthless buggers ended up staying here, and went into Labour. Liberal and the quangocracy.
    Explains enough for me.

  • Dave S

    What is being described is a recipe for the onset of civil war. The young supposedly well educated but I prefer badly educated are being set against the older and those who have everything to lose -homes, their children’s safety and the breaking of the generational compact which is the basis of civilisation.
    Those who are doing this are insane as it will only end one way .
    The imposition of an authoritarian possibly military regime led by a despot of one sort or another and it is most unlikely to be one from the left.
    Although the young Corbynistas have passion that will not be worth a light set against the anger and the need for family survival of the supposedly despised older and settled people from someplace definite rather than the progressive anyplace.
    Watching the pink bunnies fawning over Corbyn at Glastonbury was chilling. They have no inkling of the danger they are in now and I fear for the future.
    The twitter storms and the internet rage of the pink bunnies will be no match for the determination of the ordinary family men and women to protect their homes and children from what is a passing insanity .

    • Malcolm Marchesi

      Sadly , I agree with you completely . History is full of examples of the worm turning and becoming a deadly serpent .

  • PatrickH

    We have been told repeatedly that we conservative, leave voters are “thickos” and bigots driven largely by the evidence that most of the unversity towns with a high preponderance of degree educated voters voted to remain. Given that most of these university towns returned Labour MPs It is difficult to see how these remain supporting Labour voters can claim any moral or, indeed, intellectual superiority given the Labour’s nasty and vicious campaign (as waged by its foot soldiers Momentum etc) and the economic illiteracy of its manifesto, which contained policies that would bankrupt us all.