Pity anyone who incurs the wrath of the formidable Julia Hartley-Brewer. Well, except if they are a Leftie. And especially if the Leftie is a smug BBC comic, in which case: Go get ’em, Julia.
Steve N Allen is a stand-up and ‘newsreader’ on the BBC’s satirical smug-fest The Mash Report. On November 30 Allen (with lawyer Vanessa Lloyd Platt) was a studio guest on Julia Hartley-Brewer’s talkRADIO breakfast show, one of the subjects discussed by the trio being the release of figures which confirm that a rising number of male prisoners are claiming to be trans-women and being placed in female-only prisons.
There is justified concern that female prisoners are being put at risk by the justice system pandering to the likes of rapist and violent thug Stephen Wood: in 2017, under the guise of being the less-than-fragrant Karen White, the biological male sexually assaulted two women while on remand in Yorkshire’s HMP New Hall. He was subsequently jailed for life and condemned by the judge as ‘a predator and highly manipulative’. The prosecution drily noted ‘the defendant’s approach to transitioning has been less than committed’.
Predictably, as a BBC Leftie Steve N Allen was anxious to demonstrate his ‘respect for the trans community’. It was when he lapsed into activist-approved language that he was entertainingly demolished by the force of nature that is Julia Hartley-Brewer.
Julia: "I'm not a CIS woman, I'm a woman. I'm not going to have that BBC claptrap on my show. If you say that I'm going to ask you to leave my studio."@JuliaHB1 | @mrstevenallen | @VanessaLPlatt | @RichardJGarside | https://t.co/sv3MZUm41c pic.twitter.com/tA3e5jE5h4
— talkRADIO (@talkRADIO) November 30, 2018
JHB: It’s very simple for me . . . if you are physically intact as a man biologically, you’re not in a women’s prison. End of.
SNA: But also, if you are a woman in a women’s prison you should be safe from being attacked by a cis- or a trans-woman, so actually everyone should be safe in prison . . .
JHB (cutting in): Can I just say, you’re not allowed to come on my show and say a cis- or a trans-woman. A woman or a trans-woman.
SNA: It’s just the Latin opposite of trans . . .
JHB (cutting in again): No, no, no. I am not a cis-woman. Vanessa is not a cis-woman. We are women. We are biologically women. I am not going to have that BBC claptrap on my show.
SNA: I’m just using a bit . . . just to differentiate . . .
JHB (cutting in again): No, I’m not going to have it. I’m a woman. I’m not a cis-woman. I’m a woman. I was born a woman. Fifty per cent of this population are women, we’re not cis-women. We don’t have to adjust what we’re called for a tiny minority of activists who don’t even represent trans-people.
SNA: So if I said non-trans-women would that be . . .
JHB (losing patience): If you say that I’m going to ask you to leave my studio. I’m absolutely serious. I’m not having it. I’m not having our language in this country traduced in this way. I am a woman, you are a man. I’m quite happy for someone to be a trans-woman or a trans-man but you don’t take away what I am because you choose to change your gender.
SNA: I was only using it in that sentence to point out the two groups . . .
JHB (emphatically): No, the two groups are woman and trans-woman.
Bravo, Julia, for your revolutionary act of stating facts, and for insisting upon the use of straightforward language which had been universal until the week before last. As she noted a few days later, by resisting this reclassification of women JHB had articulated the defiance felt by all who ‘aren’t signed up to the madness’.
Gosh, I seem to have hit a nerve here. It’s almost like most people aren’t signed up to the madness, isn’t it? https://t.co/D5HmXZDMBz
— Julia Hartley-Brewer (@JuliaHB1) December 2, 2018
One suspects that had she not been broadcasting on national radio, Hartley-Brewer would have employed language rather stronger than ‘claptrap’ to scorn Allen’s achingly PC terminology; the alliterative alternatives ‘BBC b******s’ or ‘BBC b******t’ immediately spring to me mind.
That is one member of The Mash Report team put in his place. Now Julia, how about inviting the ineffable Nish Kumar to join you?