Liberty is a value, not an instinct. It’s been said, and it’s a lie, ‘People yearn to be free.’ Well, they don’t. They yearn to be taken care of. That’s the reason that the Left makes this Mephistopheles-type trade with people. This deal: ‘Give us power. We’ll give you things. You will lose your freedoms, but so what?’ – Dennis Prager, January 14, 2021
ON the heels of the breach of the US Capitol, the Big Tech companies have swiftly censored the President. Everywhere we see businesses and city councils competing to cut ties with him – in effect, to cancel him and Trumpism.
But did the assault on the Capitol warrant such a response? This is the question that Jan Jekielek, host of American Thought Leaders, put to author and talk show host Dennis Prager, founder of Prager University – itself censored by YouTube.
Here are some of headlines taken from his response and salutary warning about the Leftist revolutionary coup taking place on US soil.
· We’re living in a gigantic lie that is reminiscent of the Reichstag fire.
· The liberals are useful idiots for the Left.
· There is no exception in the last hundred years to the Left taking power and suppressing free speech. They’re using January 6 as the excuse to do so.
· The disgusting events of January 6 do not threaten this country nearly as much as the suppression of free speech does. There’s no comparison.
· My disappointment in many fellow Americans is very deep. The snitches, the blacklists – the Left have made a worse American, just as they made a worse Russian or Chinese, or worse Hungarian, or worse Pole.
· Conservatives have a distinct disadvantage. We don’t really want much power over people. The Left wants power over people. The liberals construct or build. Conservatives build. Leftists destroy.
· As for insurrection, this is what the Left do to language. It’s a lie. There was no insurrection.
· More and more, every avenue of civil discussion is being choked off. So you will get uncivil discussion.
You can watch the interview here.
The full transcript of this seminal interview follows here:
JAN JEKIELEK: Well, Dennis, you know, these are incredibly, incredibly difficult times. You’re a kind of voice of reason for many Americans. And . . . and frankly, at least one Canadian. I was in the House Buildings in the Cannon Rotunda when everything happened at the Capitol on January 6. I didn’t really understand what was happening at the time. I want to start off by just saying, Dennis, what do you make of this whole situation?
DENNIS PRAGER: Well, there are a lot of components. What was done, how it was reacted to and how it is being used. I’ll do the third one first. As I wrote in my column this week, this is the Reichstag fire, relived. In 1933, a month after the Nazis took over after an election, as it happens, in Germany, the German Parliament was burned down. We’re not absolutely certain who did it, but it seems that the communists did it. Anyway, it didn’t matter to the Nazis who did it, what mattered was what they could use it for. And they used it for the Enabling Act that they quickly rammed through parliament and it enabled the Nazis to curtail civil liberties in the name of a national emergency caused by the burning of the parliament, of the Reichstag. Now, obviously, we don’t have concentration camps, though I’m not sure they had concentration camps then either, because it was only one month into the Nazi regime. And people aren’t being beaten in the street yet. But the parallels are frighteningly accurate. The curtailing of free speech was the first thing done, communists and anti-Nazis, whether communist or not could not express themselves after the fire. The fire was used to say, ‘Look at what’s happening, we have to curtail free speech.’ The Left in the United States is totalitarian. The Left everywhere is totalitarian. Liberals are not. Liberals are just useful idiots for the Left. And I say this loving, truly loving and admiring the liberals in my life. They don’t realise they’re useful idiots for the Left, because they are so preoccupied with fighting the Right. This is the only thing liberals really know, because they don’t stand for what they used to. They used to stand for racial integration. They don’t care about that any more. They used to stand for being colour-blind. They don’t care about that any more. They used to stand for free speech. They don’t care about that any more. But the Left is . . . anywhere it has gained power, from Lenin – that’s Vladimir Lenin, 1917, Russia – to today. There is no exception. Wherever the Left gains power, including our universities – it’s a perfect example, the curtailing of free speech at our universities. So everywhere, there isn’t an exception, the Left curtails, suppresses free speech. And there’s a reason for that: because they cannot withstand intellectual argument. It’s an intellectual balloon. That’s just air or helium inside. And if you puncture it with an idea, that’s why they hate PragerU, because in five minutes we really do undo a lot of what kids are brainwashed to believe, because we make sense. We’re called conservative, but we’re actually just intellectually honest, which the . . . which the Left loathes. So, again, this must be understood. There is no exception in the last hundred years to the Left taking power and suppressing free speech. They’re using January 6 as the excuse to do so, that Twitter has taken down Parler, or Amazon, technically, has taken down Parler is a perfect example. ‘Oh, well, you have people who . . . who say that the election was not fair, that it was . . . it was fraudulently counted.’ Why can’t one say that? Did they not say that for three years, did the New York Times and Twitter and all of them say every day that there was collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, one of the biggest ongoing lies in the history of this country? Nobody was taken down for that provable lie. I don’t . . . I don’t . . . I’m agnostic on the count of the election. I have not been as preoccupied with it as some have. But it doesn’t matter. You should have the total freedom to say, ‘I don’t think that this was counted legitimately’, but you can’t say that. That is now . . . the Reichstag burning excuse, the fire excuse. You say that you’re causing riots. So that’s number one. Number two, what happened? What happened was fools, truly foolish people did what they did on January 6. But what is most important is every side has fools. That’s just the way it works. There are foolish Leftists, foolish liberals, foolish conservatives, foolish Rightists. No side is free of fools. However, you don’t judge a doctrine or a group by its fools. You judge it by the reaction of the group to its fools. Within an hour, every leading Republican thoroughly condemned what happened. It took Joe Biden five days to react to the riots all over the country that was not smashed windows, but was burning of police cars, burning of businesses all over the country, five days before he tweeted a tepid thing that, ‘Well, it’s . . . I understand what people were doing, but it’s . . . it’s . . . still we don’t want violence. That’s not right. I don’t even remember it. I just looked this up, to be intellectually honest to say, ‘Yes, he said something.’ But were any of those people prosecuted? The Republica— . . . the Democratic mayors and governors where that happened basically cheered them on. They didn’t say, ‘Ya ha, ra ha’, but they . . . they said, ‘We’re not going to do anything about it.’ No arrests. The response was, ‘Let’s get rid of the police’, not, ‘Let’s get the police in to stop this mayhem.’ Our side is far more moral than their side. And the proof is our reaction to our bad guys, versus their reactions to their bad guys. Six months of riots, of violent riots. That’s what a riot is. By definition, it’s violent. And how many have been brought before a trial, let alone sentenced to anything? So we’re living in a gigantic lie that is reminiscent of the Reichstag fire.
JAN JEKIELEK: You know, Dennis, I’m just . . . happen to be thinking of a tweet that I saw from a Wall Street Journal journalist that I respect covering China. And I think that it said something to the tune of, ‘I see the China hawks much more concerned about denouncing censorship and curtailment of freedom of speech than I see them condemning what actually happened on the 6th.’ This was the sentiment. What’s your reaction to that?
DENNIS PRAGER: The China hawks are more interested in condemning the suppression of free speech than they are condemning January 6?
JAN JEKIELEK: Correct.
DENNIS PRAGER: Did whoever tweeted that give an example of a Republican who did not condemn January 6, any leading Republican? I don’t mean, ‘Their brother-in-law is a Republican’. Secondly, in terms of the . . . the threat to this country, they’re incomparably imbalanced. The disgusting events of January 6 do not threaten this country nearly as much as the suppression of free speech does. The whole point of America was freedom. The Left is suppressing, oppressing the greatest feature of the United States, because, as I said, and I’ve said this my whole life, and I know that most of the time people didn’t take it seriously, they take me seriously, I acknowledge, but not that, because people don’t like to confront evil. People like to deny it. It’s too painful to confront evil. The Left suppresses liberty everywhere it takes power. There is no exception in the last hundred years. And it is happening, incredibly, in the country of the Statue of Liberty and the Liberty Bell, for which they have contempt. There’s . . . there’s no comparison in what threatens the country. A foolish, stupid, wrongheaded, vile attack on the Capitol which reopened for business within hours, versus the ongoing . . . ongoing suppression of free speech. It’s not . . . it’s not symmetrical.
JAN JEKIELEK: That’s fascinating. Again, I mean, I’ve come to, you know, over the last few years, let’s say I’ve been learning about the value, precisely, of free speech and how it differs here, at least traditionally, from other countries and other places. Here’s this question. What we saw with Parler, you mentioned, we saw, kind of in rapid succession, we saw Google and then Apple banning the app on app stores, and then subsequently Amazon came out and said that it’s removing their servers effectively. And this all happened, I think, within a day or a couple of days of each other. This isn’t the government suppressing speech. This is Big Tech participating and doing it. Tell me what you’re thinking here?
DENNIS PRAGER: Well, it is Big Tech, but it’s obviously done in the service of the Democratic Party. They’re thrilled if there is no opposition to what they do, if there’s no airing of what they do. Look, the mainstream media serves the Democratic Party and the Left, it has no other purpose. I say this with sadness. I used to get the New York Times. I still get it. I read . . . I read what I don’t agree with much more than I agree . . . read with what I agree. But, this is painful to say, as one who’s read it his whole life, it now reminds me of Pravda. And I say that because I studied Russian at the Russian Institute at Columbia. I think you and I have talked Russian, is that correct? Is that . . . ?
JAN JEKIELEK: A little bit of Polish to Russian.
DENNIS PRAGER: Oh, that’s right. Exactly. Yes . . . yes right. And I studied Russian, not in order to be able to order a sandwich, but in order to read Pravda. I was at the School of International Affairs. I feel when I read the New York Times, as I felt when I read Pravda. You read between the lines. The purpose is not to deliver news, the purpose is to deliver a case for the party. In that case it was the Communist Party, in this case, the Democratic Party and the Left. That’s the state that we are now in. Big Tech, you know, when they started putting PragerU videos on the restricted list, so people would say, ‘Well, you know, they’re free to . . . it’s . . . they’re private companies, they don’t have to allow you to . . . to speak and put your videos up.’ So I’ve often asked people this question and I’ve never, never gotten an answer, and I’ve asked it on the radio, I get a lot of answers to my questions on the radio: ‘What if Delta, American and United announced that if you walk on with the Wall Street Journal, you cannot fly? Or if you walk on with a MAGA hat, you cannot fly our aeroplane?’ Why can’t they do that? If there is unlimited freedom of private companies to not serve the public, but only the public that they agree with politically, why can’t they do that? ‘You can’t come on to our plane with a Trump T-shirt. We will not serve you.’ Why is that any different than what Apple and Twitter and Amazon are now doing? Again, because, as I learnt, repetition is the mother of pedagogy. Everywhere the Left takes power, it suppresses free speech. So this is another example.
JAN JEKIELEK: On this . . . in this vein, I’ve seen all sorts of, I guess, messaging, Twitter and elsewhere, frankly, about people basically gathering, creating lists of people who are either challenging the election results in Congress, or Trump supporters at all. Politicians and so forth, with no shame, so to speak.
DENNIS PRAGER: Well . . . this is so awful, this compiling of blacklists to ruin the lives of people that you differ with, this is basically . . . except for minimal blacklists of, like, Hollywood communists or alleged Hollywood communists, this has not happened in American history. And I will tell you, as this is now, I am now emoting, I hereby announce it, I have not only loved America my whole life, but I have also thought highly of the American people – they’re not the exact same thing, obviously. My disappointment in many fellow Americans is very deep. The snitches, the blacklists like you just mentioned, the Left has made a worse American, just as they made a worse Russian or Chinese, or worse Hungarian, or worst Pole. You’re from Poland and I know a lot about Poland because Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union was my field of study. People don’t know this. Very few people in communist countries were members of the Communist Party. It was a huge honour. And people grovelled, because you didn’t get into it. If you didn’t grovel. In effect, that’s what we have now. I will grovel to show how woke I am. I will be with the powers that be. In a communist country, the powers were the communists, here it’s the Left. So, ‘Look at how great I am. I will one-up my neighbour and I will get even more names of people who said something that was pro-Trump or challenged the election. Did three years of lying about Russian collusion not challenge the election of Donald Trump? When we had power on the Right that we compile lists to ruin the lives of the people who believed the Russian collusion lie? It doesn’t occur to us to do that. See, conservatives have a distinct disadvantage. We don’t really want much power over people. The Left wants power over people. We want to be left alone. The conservative just wants to basically be left alone. They laugh at Calvin Coolidge, president in the 20s. And . . . because he did nothing. To many of us, Coolidge was a great president because he did so little. I want this . . . I want the Federal Government to do as little as possible. Some things it has to do, it has to protect me against foreign enemies, I recognise that. On rare occasions it has to intervene when states refuse to on major issues of civil rights. But other than that, I don’t want to think about the government. I want to think about my family, my friends, my Bible commentary that I’m writing. That’s what I want to think about. I want to think about Bach and Beethoven, but they don’t let me do that. I have to think about what they’re preoccupied with and that is their power. Your question is very painful to me because I realise that a lot of my fellow Americans are not good people. No longer good people, let me put it that way. The Left has made them worse. I always ask this question on the air: are you a bad person and then join the Left, or are you a decent person and the Left makes you indecent? I think it’s both. But a lot of people, otherwise decent, have been morally corrupted by the Left to do what they’re doing. A nurse from Sacramento sent me a letter, gave me her name and everything. An RN. And it was found out that she had attended a rally with regard to counting the vote. She’s now suspended from work. There’s a piece out today of a librarian. This is really something. I don’t remember what city. A librarian, eight years a librarian. He got an American Library Association e-mail to support BLM in the work that he does as a librarian. And he wrote back, ‘We shouldn’t really have politics in the library. The whole point of the libraries is to offer all sides.’ And he was fired. What the Left has done to the American Library Association, the American Nursing Association, the National Association of Realtors, baseball, football, late-night television, it has corrupted every single thing it touches.
JAN JEKIELEK: I don’t know how else to say this, but, you know, there’s probably a lot of people watching this show who would think of themselves as Left.
DENNIS PRAGER: Well, they think of themselves as liberal. I think . . . and it’s a distinction that, I’m sorry to interrupt you, it’s just . . . I’d be very interested to know, those people, are you . . . are you a Leftist or a liberal? And I have a video out and an article out on six differences, big differences between them. That’s what I would have to really know. Anyway. Go ahead. So let’s say they say they’re Left to liberal, go ahead.
JAN JEKIELEK: Well, no, I’m . . . I’m saying that I think there’s a lot of good people who in their own minds will identify as the Left and will have what are commonly thought of as Left-wing perspectives, some Left-wing perspectives. And perhaps that’s what I’m asking you to do right now, is to . . . to explain to me why you are so categorically, basically denouncing of these people.
DENNIS PRAGER: The Left only does harm. The Liberals construct or build. Conservatives build. Leftists destroy. That’s why. It’s an irredeemably bad thing, just like fascism is irredeemably bad. There were . . . every group in history has had some nice people in it. Nice people in the micro doesn’t mean that they can’t be awful in the macro. I don’t know how . . . how much you would remember from communism in Poland? There is no doubt in my mind that there were nice communists in Poland. There’s no doubt in my mind. People who loved their families, loved their friends and were loyal to the Communist Party, which put freedom loving Poles in prison camps and sometimes killed them. You can be nice and do incredible damage to your society.
JAN JEKIELEK: I’ve been thinking about this. We’re kind of in this situation where a significant portion of this country – and not just this country, frankly, to some extent, this works this way in Canada and Poland and other places – but it’s almost like different parts of society are living almost different realities, different narratives, right?
DENNIS PRAGER: Right. I’m sorry. Go on.
JAN JEKIELEK: No, please, please jump in.
DENNIS PRAGER: Yes, well, that’s entirely accurate. But here is the challenge: we know their reality, they do not know ours. We read them. We study under them. We watch them and we hear them. They don’t read us. They’ve never studied under us. They don’t watch us and they don’t hear us. That’s the difference. That’s one of the reasons they never debate us. That’s one of the reasons when, on the rare occasions they do debate, they lose the debate because we know all their arguments and they know none of ours. They live in an alternate reality. We do not. We know what they believe. They know only what the New York Times and Columbia University told them. But we know what the New York Times and Columbia University tells us, but we also know what the Epoch Times tells us. It’s a very big difference.
JAN JEKIELEK: It’s a huge difference, in fact, but it’s a recipe for eternal division. I don’t know what else to say here.
DENNIS PRAGER: Yes, I say this with sadness, I would like to separate from the Left parts of the country. You keep the big cities, we’ll take the rest of the country and we’ll see who produces happier and finer human beings in 50 years.
JAN JEKIELEK: That’s a huge thing to say.
DENNIS PRAGER: I know. I don’t know of . . . of an alternative. The gulf between Left and Right is greater than the gulf between North and South in the Civil War. What can I tell you? None of this brings me happiness. I have children and grandchildren. I wanted them to grow up in the same relatively happy, peace-loving, freedom loving America that I did and that my father did. You know, my father was an Orthodox Jew and he was born in the United States. And he did his senior class thesis for City College of New York on anti-Semitism in America. So he really knew about the law firms that would not allow Jewish lawyers in, the country clubs that would not allow Jews in, the red lining against Jews buying homes in different places, the quota system at Harvard against admitting more Jews. And yet my father enlisted. He didn’t have to. He was not of the age. He was a little older and he had a wife and a child. He did not have to enlist. He enlisted in World War Two, because he loved this country. And spent two to three years in the Pacific as an officer on a transport. And my father raised my older brother and myself to believe that we were the luckiest Jews in Jewish history to live in America. The man who wrote his thesis on anti-Semitism in America, because my father was wise enough to compare America to all other countries, not to Utopia. Does America have racists? Yes. But America is the least racist, multiracial country in the history of the world. You’re a lucky Jew to live here. You’re a lucky black to live here. You’re a lucky . . . anything to live here. But the Left teaches everyone but whites, or white males, that they’re oppressed. It creates angry people and angry people are not happy and angry people do a great deal of harm.
JAN JEKIELEK: The president’s being accused of inciting these riots and, frankly, of inciting insurrection. How do you read that?
DENNIS PRAGER: Those are Left-wing lies. The President in his speech said . . . first of all, they never quote, it’s fascinating. Every time I read a Leftist saying the president incited the riot, they never cite any line from his speech. Not one . . . look, look, you will find this fascinating. I’m always waiting. Did I miss it? I read every word of the speech, so I think, ‘Did I miss it?’ And he said to them, now, after this I’m paraphrasing, ‘I want you to go peacefully . . .’ he says ‘peacefully’ to the Capitol. He said, ‘go peacefully’. There was not a hint of riot, ‘take it over’, or anything like that. As for insurrection, this is what the Left does to language. It’s a lie. There was no insurrection. There’s no . . . if there were insurrections, it was when people took over downtown Seattle or would build their own little world in Seattle or Portland or New York City and defy the government, not allow people in, make their . . . that, that’s an insurrection. But we didn’t even use the language that . . . but this is what they do. They manipulate language. It’s like, ‘Global warming is an existential threat.’ Really? Al Gore said it was an existential threat. We had 12 years in the 1990s – that’s a little riddle I made up, ‘What do you call a religious person who says the world is coming to an end? A crackpot. What do you call a secular person who says the world is coming to an end? An environmentalist.’ I . . . I don’t make up many riddles, but I made that one up.
JAN JEKIELEK: Gosh, you know, as you know, it’s a funny thing, you know, one of my questions here that I . . . that I had was: what do you think it will take to reunite America? But I think you’re already telling me that you don’t see that happening?
DENNIS PRAGER: The only way we can reunite is if we share the fundamental values of the United States, what I call the American Trinity. I took it many years ago. My book, Still The Best Hope, explains it, that we have a trinity in America like Christianity has a trinity and it is found on every coin, liberty, e pluribus unum, In God We Trust. And that’s the only way we’re going to have unity is to . . . is to believe in those three things. The Left would agree with me. If you have opposite values, then you can’t be united. So yes, I have very dark visions of what the Left has done, will do in the next two years. The acceptance by America of Democratic governors putting people with small businesses out of business while protecting Wal-Mart, this was astonishing to me. The . . . the ability of people in, like in my state, California, basically people who are getting their salaries are putting people who . . . who don’t get salaries into the poorhouse. That’s what these lockdowns were about. And when I visited Florida to see my . . . one of my sons and his family and to give some speeches in December, I wrote a piece. I write a column each week. People are certainly welcome to read it. And it’s called the Sovietisation of California, that I dreaded coming back home for the first time in my life. I moved to California in my 20s in the 1970s, and I was so thrilled to do so. Unlimited freedom. It was just so exciting to come to California. And now it is depressing to come to California, because the Democrats run it. Republicans run Florida, it’s a free state. People can eat in restaurants. I took a picture of people eating inside a restaurant in Fort Lauderdale. Man comes over to me, recognised who I was, and knew exactly what I was doing. And he said to me, ‘You’re taking a picture of people eating in a restaurant?’ I said, ‘That’s right.’ He knew I was from California. This was something to show back home. ‘Look, people can eat in restaurants.’ But where the Democrats are in charge, or at least in California, certainly, they suppress freedom and Americans apparently are okay with it.
JAN JEKIELEK: You know, Dennis, in this vein, I noticed a column that you wrote which was, frankly, absolutely fascinating to me, titled The Good German. I’m going to get you to talk about this a little bit in a moment. But, you know, because it spoke to something that I’d been thinking, just kind of watching, I don’t know, the events of the last few years. And just, you know, what struck me about them is that, I guess I never realised that there’s some portion of the population that can be kind of programmed, or, so to speak . . . I just never imagined that this . . . this kind of reality existed. But I feel like I’ve been watching that to some extent over past years, and especially . . .
DENNIS PRAGER: That’s the reason that I wrote that piece. I . . . I have changed in the last year. I have come to realise that, as a Jew – I was on the Holocaust Museum board – I’ve written a major book on anti-Semitism, why the Jews, to be honest, I can’t say are obsessed, but close to obsessed with the Holocaust. How could such evil take place? It was . . . it was before I was born, but not much before I was born. People always talked about The Good German, not the Nazi, not the one who beat up Jews, or even . . . or even snitched on Jews who were hiding, just did nothing. And that German was held in contempt. But I’ve now realised that German or the Russian . . . I wrote not just The Good German, but The Good Russian, right, under Stalin. Not the guy who sent anybody to Gulag, not the one who snitched on a neighbour for listening to the Voice of America or Radio Free Europe, just the quiet, get-along guy. I don’t condemn them nearly as much as I used to. The number of Americans who have gone along with the suppression of liberty, without a Gestapo, without an NKVD – that was the predecessor to the KGB, Soviet Secret Police – without Gulag, without Auschwitz, without Dachau. I no longer judge the quiet German or Russian like I used to, if people can be that intimidated into silence in this country without being shipped off to camps. But, of course, to be fair, they don’t want to be fired, like the RN or the librarian and have no job. The Left won’t send you to Gulag. The Left will simply make it impossible for you to earn a living. Now, I’d rather have earnings problems than death problems, but the Left is vicious. By the way, I do believe if they had the power, they would send people like you and me to re-education camps, not death camps, I don’t believe that, but absolutely re-education camps. They obviously cannot tolerate alternate voices, for good reason, as I pointed out earlier in our interview, because everything they say is a lie. And when we speak, that is made apparent. I’ll give you an example of a gigantic Left-wing lie, the 1619 Project. New York Times invented a lie for which it got a Pulitzer Prize from the Pulitzer people who award lies of the Left, that America was founded in 1619 and fought the Revolutionary War against Britain in order to maintain slavery. That was called a lie by anti-Trump, liberal historians like Sean Wilentz at Princeton. A lie. And it’s being taught in thousands of schools as we speak.
JAN JEKIELEK: Dennis, I want to go back to this example of the RN that had attended, presumably, a rally that had to do with challenging the election and then was put on . . . in some kind of suspension, as I understand it. From what we’re hearing, there’s a lot of people out there that are concerned that there’s this kind of, I guess, conflation happening between people who even, let’s say, were in Washington, D.C. to challenge the election and the people who violently entered the Capitol, you know, all these people are the same. And I just want to get you to speak to this.
DENNIS PRAGER: Yes, of course. Of course they’ll do that. Why not? A Leftist, unlike a liberal or a conservative, a Leftist does not ask himself, ‘Is what I’m saying true?’ I think for most of us, there’s a little voice that says, ‘Hey, wait, don’t exaggerate, that’s not quite true.’ They don’t have that voice. They, they . . . their voice is, ‘How do we gain power and smash our opponents?’ What we will have, though, it’s inevitable: if you do not allow civil dissent, you will get uncivil dissent. There’s a powder keg. The Wall Street Journal, which even called on the President to resign, and I . . . I was disappointed in a paper I love. But anyway, it’s okay, you live with disappointment as you grow up in life, it’s part of being a grown-up, is living with disappointment. So I was disappointed in the Wall Street Journal editorial board. But be that as it may, they pointed out that all they’re doing by stifling every voice is making more people realise there is no civil way to express dissent against the Left. And they’re right, there isn’t. More and more, is every avenue of civil discussion being choked off. So you will get uncivil discussion. Eighty million people, probably 100 million, not everybody voted, can’t stand the Left. We believe they’re thugs and they are. I have a . . . I have a civil way of speaking. I have a radio talk show at PragerU, I mean, nobody guarantees me that they won’t be shut off in some way. They would love to shut us off. But I don’t experience that because I . . . I can say everything I want to say. I fully acknowledge that. The average American cannot. Who’s going to fire me? My employers want me to speak out, so I don’t have the same threat hanging over me that this nurse or librarian do. This cannot continue. These things explode. I fear for that. That’s why I would like a civil removal of us from their society. The first thing people need to do is take their kids out of regular school, private or public. There are some decent ones. If . . . and by this very simple measure, I have two questions to ask a parent: does . . . will the school teach the 1619 Project? If it does, the school is a Left-wing propaganda seminary and they will produce, likely to produce, a kid who considers your values despicable. Why you would want to send your child to a school to learn to have contempt for what you treasure is a riddle. I know it’s hard. It’s hard to take your kids out. It’s hard to start with home schooling. It’s hard to find a good school, but there is no choice. So the first thing to do is millions of Americans must remove their kids from these places. The other question to ask after the 1619 Project is: do you have drag queen story hours for kids here? It’s a common thing now in elementary schools to have first graders see a drag queen read to them a story. If you don’t care about either, let your child learn that America is a cesspool, it was founded in order, not founded with slavery, but in order to preserve it, then absolutely have your kids stay in school. But if either of those things disturbs you, you have to take your kids out of school. We have to have an alternate place of decency, truth, celebration of America, celebration of the Judeo-Christian value system that made this country. And we cannot do it in any of their institutions. So we have to disengage from their institutions.
JAN JEKIELEK: As you mentioned, Dennis, obviously this is no small task that you’re suggesting, probably for most people. What about a person like this nurse in her situation? What are your thoughts to people that are in this type of a situation or potentially in this type of a situation? What should they be doing now?
DENNIS PRAGER: I don’t know what the nurse should do. I want to have her on the show, talk to her about that. But I will tell you an interesting story. I am very involved in classical music. I conduct orchestras periodically. I conducted a Haydn symphony at the Disney Concert Hall a couple of years ago. I’m not a professional musician, but I guess an advanced amateur. Anyway, I’m very involved and conservative musicians from all over the country know that and they write to me. I’ll give you an example. I won’t say what orchestra. One of the . . . one of the most prestigious orchestras in the country, he’s a violinist and he . . . he’s been in touch with me. During the lockdown, he went through deep self-questioning, ‘How long more can I keep quiet? My colleagues in the orchestra don’t know I’m conservative.’ And he . . . he came out. He came out of the closet. Six members of the San Francisco Symphony, one of the leading orchestras of the country, a couple of years ago – and I gave a speech in San Jose – asked if they could have dinner with me. They were thrilled to have dinner with me. But I’m telling you, I was more thrilled to have dinner with them. They may not be able to believe that, but . . . but it’s true. I mean to, you know, to be with six members of one of the great orchestras of the country, to me, that’s like, you know, a kid with . . . with a baseball star or an all-star team. Anyway, they showed up. Three of them are wearing PragerU T-shirts. So I . . . my first question, ‘Do your fellow members of the orchestra know about this?’ They said, ‘Absolutely.’ Of course. I mean, this is a combination of San Francisco and artists, so you’re going to get Left . . . Left-wingers overwhelmingly. When people stop being afraid, the bullies are intimidated. They . . . they correctly surmised that the Left are bullies, that they . . . that’s their forte. We don’t do this to them. An orchestra that had mostly conservatives would never treat a guy on the Left the way they treat us, there’s no symmetry, as I said earlier. So I’m hearing a guy . . . I can say who it is, a cellist with the Dallas Symphony, another one of the great orchestras. He’s come out, he’s made these . . . he’s made podcasts. Now, these people are secure, because they have a sort of tenure in the orchestra. So that’s important to note. I don’t know what the story is with being an RN. And, obviously, the librarian didn’t have tenure. But at least if you have job security, you must come out of the closet, for your own sake. You’ll eat yourself up. A woman, a violist, in another one of the great orchestras of the country, because the New York Times covered my conducting the Santa Monica Symphony Orchestra, conservative talk show host conducting the orchestra in one of the Left-wing cities of the country. So she wrote to me, ‘35 years, Dennis, I’ve been a member of this orchestra, no one knows I’m conservative.’ That’s sad.
JAN JEKIELEK: Dennis, as we’re speaking, the House, the US House is preparing an article, I believe, of impeachment against the President. And the President is defiant, as . . . as I understand it. With, I think it’s . . . how many days to go? Eight days to go, right? What’s next here?
DENNIS PRAGER: I never know what’s next. I can only tell you that the self . . . when you lie to yourself, self-delusion, whatever the word might be, when Joe Biden says, ‘I want to unite the country’, is he supporting the impeachment of a President a week before he’s leaving office anyway? Do you think that impeachment of the President is going to help unite Americans? I mean, the idea is preposterous. All it does is, for me, I’m not a member of the Trump camp. I supported the President for four years because he did so many good things. I never particularly cared for many of his tweets, it’s relevant. I opposed him during the primaries, wrote articles against him, they’re on the Internet, people can read it. I never met the President in my life. The attack on the President is not an attack on the President. It’s an attack on me and 74 million other people. And more than that. ‘We have contempt for you.’ And they do. They think we’re deplorable. And if they . . . they show pictures of some crackpot, turns out to be a crackpot, wearing a Camp Auschwitz T-shirt in the Capitol. How many people saw all the . . . all the burning of American flags that took place in Left-wing demonstrations all of this year, much of this year, last year? If Nancy Pelosi’s aim is to further alienate half the country, she should go ahead with what she’s doing. This is all catharsis because another trait of the Left is they’re . . . they’re children. They’re not grown-ups. They emote. I can, I could, I will . . . I will write a piece just on my arguments for why all Leftists are children. Not all liberals, I always make the distinction. One of the reasons is children expect their parents to be perfect. And then they become a teenager and they realise their parent is flawed. The mature teenager, or 20-year-old, or 30-year-old, understands, ‘You know what, my parent did his or her best’ – I’m not talking about sick parents that beat children and so on, okay? But basically the mature individual knows, ‘My mother is a flawed human being, just like every other human who’s lived. Not a hypocrite.’ You know, ‘Dad said, ‘never curse’ and then I heard him use the s-word. Oh, he’s a phoney.’ That’s a child. They’re children, with regard to life. America is not perfect. It has a . . . Jefferson was a hypocrite, Washington was a hypocrite. This is: ‘My father is a hypocrite.’ This is the child speaking, instead of, ‘Flawed men made the freest country in the history of the world.’ That’s the truth. But that’s not . . . that’s an adult way of looking at the founders.
JAN JEKIELEK: Dennis, one other thought that comes to my mind right now is that there’s powers out there, like communist China, which I just did an interview about a comprehensive human rights report that was put out, chronicles horrible, horrible things. And of course, and also, you know subversion of the West by the Chinese Communist Party to some extent. These people would love to see or . . . not would love . . . love to see this type of feud, because, as I think you made very clear, it’s tearing the country apart. I look at America as a Canadian, and frankly, one of the reasons I wanted to do this show in the first place as the bulwark for freedom and for liberty in the world, as the beacon of hope. You know, sometimes that’s hard to see right now.
DENNIS PRAGER: That’s right. I titled my book, Still The Best Hope, taken from Lincoln’s . . . Lincoln’s statement about America as the last, best hope for Earth. Look, everything the Left touches, it ruins. There is no exception to that. Music, or . . . I first realised it in music. Then I saw it true for everything. Art, architecture, universities, high schools, elementary schools, sports, late-night TV, whatever the Left touches, it ruins. It’s a force of chaos. It’s . . . it’s a tsunami of destruction. And the thing they would most like to destroy is the United States. How else do you explain, ‘Let’s make 11million people who have come here illegally, citizens.’? They basically want open borders. An open border means your country does not exist any longer as your country. It means anybody can become a citizen, in any numbers. There’s a lesson here. Liberty is a value, not an instinct. It’s been said, and it’s a lie, ‘People yearn to be free.’ No, they don’t. They yearn to be taken care of. That’s the reason that the Left makes this Mephistopheles-type trade with people, this deal. ‘Give us power, we’ll give you things. You will lose your freedoms. But so what? You’ll have free medical care and free college.’ Look, that’s what they said about Castro. ‘Yeah, it’s not a free country, but, hey, they have free medical care.’ That’s what they would say. It’s a common statement on the part of the Left. Medical care is awful for anybody who’s not in the Communist Party in Cuba. Awful. I mean, it’s pathetic. You have to bring your own pillow, your . . . your own bedding to . . . to a primitive hospital. People are prepared to give up their liberty in the name of safety and now as well, in the name of anti-racism. There’s always a higher cause than freedom. If you don’t . . . for three generations, you don’t teach young Americans that this should be the land of the free and the home of the brave, you will get people who don’t value freedom and who aren’t brave. And that’s the state we’re in. However, it’s not hopeless. Look at Epoch Times and your continuing success, which I . . . I celebrate. PragerU has a billion views a year. When I walk through airports, it’s really something to see the young people who come over to me. Young people. So it’s sort of a race. And that’s why they’re shutting down everything they can, because, as I said, they can’t handle dissent. For good reason. There’s no intellectual substance to Leftism. It’s all anger. But anger is very powerful. And people revel in their anger. I guess there must be a joy in thinking you’re a victim. I hate it. I . . . my whole being rebels against being thought of thinking of myself as a victim. But I would say a good chunk of humanity revels in it.
JAN JEKIELEK: Dennis, any final thoughts before we finish up?
DENNIS PRAGER: I . . . when I visited Normandy Beach in France, I saw thousands of graves of 20-year-olds, basically. I took a vow, I did. It’s the only vow I ever took: if these guys could die for America and freedom, the least I could do is live for America and freedom. I don’t want those guys to have died in vain. If the Left wins, with its suppression of liberty, every one of those guys died in vain.
JAN JEKIELEK: Well, Dennis Prager, it’s so good to have you on again.