Casting my eye over the week’s news, it is clear the two major challenges facing Britain in the coming decades are housing and the NHS. This is aside from the massive cluster-nightmare that is Brexit.

The Times editorial on Wednesday summarised it thus:

‘The Tories need the support of more young voters who do not see that they have a sufficiently big stake in the market economy. A lack of affordability in housing has simply not been addressed except by a self-defeating boost to demand in the form of the Help to Buy scheme. The younger generation of workers face the unenviable prospect of living indefinitely in rental accommodation and working for many years longer to support a rapidly ageing population.’ (My emphasis.)

Sure enough, yesterday the headlines were all about the NHS. A report by the Institute for Fiscal Studies said the NHS needs about a 5 per cent increase in funding, and 4 per cent in the longer term to do more than hold the current level of (overstretched) service. That could mean income tax having to go up by 10p in the pound within 15 years to pay for long-term improvement in the NHS, equivalent to between £1,200 and £2,000 per household.

However, the Spectator reported that ‘a settlement’ would be closer to 3 per cent extra a year. This is not enough.

To repeat the Times summary of the future for The Youth: The younger generation of workers face the unenviable prospect of living indefinitely in rental accommodation and working for many years longer to support a rapidly ageing population.

This is it in a nutshell – no wonder they are so depressed. We can certainly ask how it got to this point, namely, who consented to the Total Immigration policy implemented by Tony Blair? This cannot be said enough: Britain has experienced a population increase of over 5million in a just over a decade, from 2005 to 2016. The previous 5million took 35 years to achieve, between 1970 and 2005. Who thought this was sustainable in our current welfare state? The truth is that it wasn’t, it isn’t and it is the next generation, the rising generation, who will literally pay the price.

This is not helped by the fact that this younger generation seem to be on some suicide mission in that they overwhelmingly support immigration and the socialised health system. Now, they will have the privilege of paying for it all.

How exactly are households that have already seen cuts to tax credits and child benefit going to afford an extra £1,200 or £2,000 per year? That is a lot of money – it is not the kind one finds down the back of the sofa. In fact, in 2016 half of Britons paid no tax at all. Are these people now going to be able to find £2,000 in their back pocket? I doubt it.

How long can we go on like this? This is a genuine question. If our readers have any suggestions – sensible suggestions – on how to tackle this crushing burden on the rising generation please let us know in the comments.


  1. I take umbrage at being told I am a burden and a drain on NHS resources. I was never admitted to hospital until I was 35 and have only had 1 NHS operation since. I paid for a hysterectomy to ensure I could time it properly. I paid in full contributions apart from 8 years family responsibilities. I only claimed unemployment benefit once for 2 weeks. I have never claimed any benefits. I have paid my NI contributions towards my pension and healthcare. My husband never entered a hospital until he was over 50.

  2. I do love quoting Thomas Sowell!

    “It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it.”

  3. The EU has allowed in loads of well educated young people who are happy to work hard for less than the Brits, driving down wages and driving up house prices.
    On the other hand it has also allowed in more of our “asian” cousins who come here for free stuff and don’t want to work because they have to visit the mosque 5 times a day, driving up government spending.
    The snowflakes seem to think more immigration and diversity is the right way to go so they shouldn’t really whinge about it affecting their futures. We haven’t hit peak yet. It will get worse.
    Luckily, I’m ok, good job, mortgage paid off, nice big house etc etc, yet when I complain I’m a swivel eyed loon.

    • According to Dominic Raab, the Housing Minister recently, immigration has forced up house prices by 20%.

      Perhaps snowflakes who welcome mass immigration but who complain about being forever renters should join the dots.

      Another aspect which they might contemplate is that more housing to accommodate immigrants is eating away at our lovely countryside and blighting our ancient market towns, How does that work for our green- sensitive youth, I wonder.

      Apart from all that, another consideration is that this country cannot feed itself and the more the population grows, the less food it will be able to produce and the more it will find itself at the mercy of food exporting countries which may or may not be friendly in the future.

      Furthermore, these countries have burgeoning populations of their own which are likely to want to consume more of their own foodstuffs. And they may be subject to global warming and shortages themselves. The Arab Spring was sparked by high grain prices due to harvest failures in Ukraine and Russia.

  4. It was known after Bevan insisted it was a National service that there would never be enough money for the NHS. Unlike Councils it does not have a budget so can shout for more money, rather than address the many problems and opportunities
    Its now a postcode lottery, in a race to the bottom. The unions have no part in patient centred improvement and waste is everywhere. The resourcing system is the worst one possible for a health service. We even steal doctors and nurses from Third World Countries.

    No more new taxes, or money until the unions sign onto a proven reform programme and change for the 21st Century

  5. Put interest rates up, causing a housing crash. The problem is more cheap money than any other issue, though the other issues are certainly contributing factors.

    Stuff like help to buy are all just props to keep housing prices high because the lesson learned, now almost 30 years out of date, is that a housing crash is bad for the government. if not for the money printing it would’ve crashed already.

    • Absolutely – get rid of Help to Buy, and also abolish Housing Benefit, the ludicrously inefficient means to transfer wealth from the have-nots to the multi-home-owning landlords.

      When supply is constrained and demand is inflated by legal/illegal immigration and family break-up, then hosing taxpayer money at the problem is just about the stupidest thing the powers that be can do…..

      Also, as with all systems where the cash-distributor is not the cash-contributor, the HB system is riddled with fraud – just scrap it……

  6. There may well be an increase in the number of older people but the lifespan of the elderly has remained static for around ten years.

    As for the predicted extra money required for the NHS no way should there be any increase until a major overhaul of the institution is carried out, governments have preferred when pushed to shovel money at the problem rather than fixing the wrongs in the system, from GPs to elderly care there are huge problems.

    An insurance segment as in other countries gives choice and responsibility, something totally lacking in the NHS.

    Anecdotally I called in to my surgery yesterday to make an appointment(average now four weeks) and drop of a prescription at the next door pharmacy, when I walked into the waiting area there was not one person waiting for the nursing staff and I could see hardly anyone waiting for a doctor, I joked at the desk that no one gets ill at holiday time, they said it is always like this at these times, something is seriously wrong in the way the NHS is used.

    This link givessome fascinating facts on costs numbers and predictions for the NHs, many will shock and suprise


    details of the changes in the time the NHS has been running also show items we forget such as the opthalmic and dental costs are now mainly in the private sector and that GP s according to this have less ? patients than they did thirty years ago which is not that which is spouted now, could it be the fact that so many are now part time ? worth a read.

    • Correct. The efficiency and management of the NHS has never been properly addressed because this has never been necessary. As a deliverer it is a slow-moving lumbering beast with replication and lack of prioritised direction.

  7. From all the mood music I hear from this Government, it is looking to increases taxes … the primary target being any equity in your house

  8. It’s all well and good asking the handwringing question Laura, but the plain simple truth is that the British public voted for Mass Immigration under Blair. Not once, but thrice.

    And for its continuity under Cameron. The UKIP alternative was there and they ignored it.

    They got what they voted for. It’s a bit damned late to moan about it now. You all wanted cheap visa free holidays, cheap plumbers, cheap taxis, chesp childminding, cheap this, that and the other. Well, there was always going to be a consequence and this is part of it.

    One of the reasons they can’t afford property is because of Browns buy to let “boom” which freed many investors from being in equities where they belonged, to become landlords, which they are spectacularly Ill equipped to be. It also allowed favourable BTL mortgages which completely out competed the First Time Buyer Market. One of Browns first acts as chancellor was to nuke private pensions by the withdrawl of the dividend tax credit so as a result, people began to see their properties as pension funds, which drives the price up more.

    And thats before we get onto education where too many of them go to “universities” to get useless degrees in subjects that industry doesn’t need which then devalued tertiary education which led employers to recruit more better educated cheaper labour from abroad, which turned into a default choice for too many of them, leading to wage suppression, a lower tax take and more demand on public services which Brown was putting into endless hock by saddling them with PFI deals that they couldn’t afford, while making a complete pigs ear of the med school training pipeline at the behest of the BMA and NHS unions, turning nursing into a profession instead of a vocation, which pushed the price up and the productivity down, to a point it hasnt recovered from…

    They voted for all this. THREE TIMES. Not once, but THREE times, when there were alternatives. And Cameron carried it on as he was cut from the same globalist cloth as Blair and Brown.

    And that’s before we get onto other complicating factors like Common Purpose, Financial Sector Regulation, housebuilding and landbanking let alone the tax code.

    You got what you voted for, people. Stop grumbling and suck it up. You had alternatives and didn’t take them.

    • As I recall, the electorate was never asked whether it wanted mass immigration, Blair made sure that it never knew what was happening, It was all done in secret.

      Blair’s manifesto before his first election success never talked about mass immigration. It merely said something about making Britain ‘a more inclusive society’ which could have meant anything.

      As it was, the very first thing his government did, more or less, was the axing of the primary purpose rule, designed to stamp down on arranged marriages from the Indian sub- Continent.

      The media of course were essentially complicit in this secret betrayal, including vilifying anyone who dared raise the issue as a ‘racist’. This unspoken conspiracy of silence was aided by legislation which made it dangerous , it was thought, if not actually illegal, to complain.

      • They may not have explicitly been told in the manifestos but it was very very clear by 2001 exactly which way the wind was blowing. And absolutely definitely by 2005 and it was ringing a damn huge fire bell lit up with spotlights and a laser show by 2010.

        It was totally obvious. And yet, they kept on voting for more of the same.

        No doubt the media have been complicit. But, if we are that dumb that we allow ourselves to be led around by the nose by the media instead of multisourcing our information and making up our own minds, then we deserve everything we get.

      • Indeed correct, and a sad indictment of the short-sighted nature of the British population and government.

  9. Surely the real issue is that we have to stop funding completely lunatic demands on the NHS. The NHS is about NEEDS it is certainly NOT about WANTS. yet we are now funding all sorts of ridiculous WANTS that have nothing to do with NEEDS. this has to stop – for ALL our sakes.

    • Are sex change operations – or should I say gender re-assignment surgery – still available on “our NHS” ? If so they should be stopped immediately.

  10. 1 allow more homes to be built. This will mean building on green belt land, because that’s the land available. Simplify or remove planning requirements so that small developers can afford to work. No need for public money- the developers will pay for the building and the buyers will reimburse them. Since this will result in a fall in the price of land with planning permission, there will be no reason to landbank, and with small developers ready to build there will be an incentive not to. Five years and the housing crisis will be over.
    Since we have already imported millions of people the practical choice is between the above and mass deportation. I think my plan the lesser of the two evils.
    Oh and we need limits to immigration if we are not to see unlimited housebuilding.
    The saving on accommodation costs should save enough to fund the NHS for a time.
    We should also consider paying say 60% of a person’s share of the healthcare budget to those persons who opt for private medicine, to encourage people to leave the NHS and take some pressure off. Not 100% because emergency cover and uninsurable conditions would still fall on the NHS. In time an efficient private service will develop and healthcare over all will become better value for money.
    Also we need to institute effective checks to ensure that those applying for NHS care are entitled to it. NHS staff won’t like it as they are used to being viewed as saints at public expense, but the country simply doesn’t have an unlimited amount of cash to fund their “charitable” activities.

    • What a brilliant idea! Turning our entire country into a hellish concrete third world favela is an order of magnitude more sensible & humane than deporting millions of unwanted and / or illegal aliens. Keep on boomin’, Pat.

      • It’s better than living in a box, which is the alternative, and mass deportation isn’t going to happen.

    • The NHS should employ Exclusion Managers to make sure that those seeking NHS treatment are entitled to it. Pay them low wages but big bonuses on the proven amounts of money they save the NHS – give them a financial incentive to do the job.

  11. I can see no good reason why anyone in employment should stop paying the NI contributions come the age of 60 which as far as I know is the case. There is no reason why someone in full time employment should not continue paying thereby contributing to the NHS.

    • lets just call NI what it is instead a TAX

      I assume you will knock a bit off for the fact they probably arent building up a bigger state pension allowance

      • I believe you do benefit if you defer your state pension as a mate of mine did when he hit 65 as he carried on working in a fairly well paid job until he was 67. I know that he qualified then for a decent lump sum with an enhanced pension.

  12. It can’t go on like this. It simply can’t; it’s just a question of basic arithmetic.

    Unfortunately the LibLabCon Party is in denial.

    A genuine conservative party would be sounding the alarm now – and thinking up some solutions.

    Clearly, the NHS needs to be replaced by some kind of insurance-based system, that at least embodies some relationship between what you pay and what you get out.

    Unfortunately the most likely scenario is reform by collapse, which will cause untold misery in future.

    Politicians are supposedly paid to deal with these kinds of problems, but no one will do anything for fear of being accused of being “uncaring” etc. This begs the question of why members of the biggest government (just look at the numbers compared to 100 years ago) in British history are walking away with six-figure salaries for doing so little.

    Oh, wait a minute… They did organise the placing of a replica Hawk aircraft in Downing St the other day. Just what we needed.

  13. Also why do the young feel entitled to own a house?
    Are they aware that renting is the norm in their wonderful EU?
    Are they saying they support Thatcher in her drive to make us a house owning democracy?
    Do they think that Corbyn’s socialist utopia will support their demands to become house owning bourgeoisie?
    Unfortunately life is tough and Mummy and Daddy are not around to wipe your 4rses, so welcome to the real world.

  14. Here is a really novel idea.
    Rather than continuously expanding government why don’t you try shrinking it?
    How long do you think people are going to put up with working till they drop in order to pay tax for the insane number of people who live off the government purse or public workers who have retired and are living the high life on a pension the majority can only dream of but are having to pay for?
    Welfare states are just giant Ponsi schemes and by introducing mass immigration you are just accelerating the final collapse.

    • I suspect society would survive without thousands of gender diversity officers. There are a great many equivalent roles that could disappear without society suffering (or even noticing).

      Government does not have an income problem, it has a spending problem.

  15. Abbottonomic’s will sort the NHS out.

    Jesus Corbyn will raise his arms and tell the sick to get up off their beds, the sick will rise and decamp to Glastonbury.

  16. “In fact, in 2016 half of Britons paid no tax at all. Are these people now going to be able to find £2,000 in their back pocket?”
    By definition they won’t have to because they don’t pay tax!

  17. The NHS does not need more money – it needs a diet.

    Giving the NHS more money is like treating Obesity with creamcakes. It may ‘feel’ better, but only contributes to the long term problems.

    If people want to ‘save’ the NHS, then they could start by cutting out the excessive numbers of middle-managers and administrators.

    • Damn right. There’s one thing it needs above absolutely anything else and that is strong, visionary, disciplined leadership. Make that work and the costs would tumble.

  18. the only solution i can see to this is to start raiding British tax havens for money – Isle of Man, Jersey etc are all hiding the money of the wealthy from the tax man.

    Take a look at how much inheritance tax the duke of westminster paid – any normal person inheriting multiple billions would have to pay a billion in tax, but this guy gets away for next to nothing.

    I’m not surprised Cameron dropped his reform of inheritance tax, because all of his rich buddies avoid it anyway.

    But on a more serious note, one way to free up cash in the economy is to make it much easier for the wealthy to give away their money tax free before they die. There are many octogenarians sitting on piles of cash that they can’t do anything with.

      • I agree. Anyone who doesn’t support wholesale looting of the nation by predatory and amoral elites is a green eyed monster! IT’S SIMPLE ECONOMICS.

    • Me and you are going to fall out son.

      It’s only foreigners whose money rest’s here now,…..
      It’s harmless pixel storage that’s all, it’s not real money,

      Fastyr Mei.

      • foreigner’s money is much easier to steal than EU citizens – just look at what happened to all the russian cash that was once parked in cyprus.

  19. “In fact, in 2016 half of Britons paid no tax at all.”

    They paid no income tax (it’s the same in France and I would guess in all Western economies); they still pay all the indirect taxes. With VAT in the EU averaging around 20% of disposable income which is entirely spent by the lower paid, that’s still quite a lot of tax.

    We’re at the limit of working people’s tolerance for direct taxes increases so politicians and think tankers are talking about more indirect taxes to plug government revenue shortfalls. So more hits to come for the lower paid and the young.

    High taxes are the main driver of the grey and black economies which we would remember if the 1970s hadn’t been stuffed down the collective memory hole. If people won’t pay more tax, the only alternative is for governments to spend less. Try getting that past the Labour party and the public sector and even the middle classes who get their share of bennies whether they need them or not.

    • That raises some interesting questions:

      1) Can a person who lives and welfare and pays VAT on consumer goods be said to be a taxpayer?

      And more uncomfortably for some people:

      2) Does a government employee actually pay any tax?

      Yes, of course there is an item for “income tax” on his pay slip, but what is actually happening here? The government gives him his salary then takes a bit of money back – an accounting money-go-round.

      And this money was originally taken from wealth creating individual; that is, someone who does not work for the government. Because the government does not create wealth.

      • Hallelujah! You have hit the nail on the head. It has always irritated me when pubic servants – including politicians – complain that they pay tax and NI. It is an illusion, a paper exercise, an accounting sleight of double entry bookkeeping and so on – as you point out. They are simply passing back to the Treasury, via the Revenue, a portion of what the Treasury gave them in the first place. All the original funds the Treasury has at its disposal come from taxes on the productive private sector – as descried by Adam Smith.

        Of course, those who talk of government spending ‘paying for itself’ are simply guessing, predicting or hoping that public spending can, of itself, lead to an increase in the output of those engaged in producing real, value added goods in the productive private sector which, in turn, it is guessed, predicted, hoped, will lead to a far greater increase in tax revenues to the Exchequer than the initial outlay of public money. It’s Keynesian economics that even proper Keynesians will say should only be used as a desperate measure during a great economic slump.

        In a relatively self-sufficient economy, where most things people consume are made within said economy, it – the Keynesian solution – may be a reasonable temporary solution to an economic slump and might see an increase in production from real tax paying productive activities but most advanced economies, such as ours, purchase most of the productive, value added, goods, used on a daily basis, from overseas. Much public spending tends to leak out to businesses overseas and benefits the people and economies overseas more than it does our people. Which is why our economy relies heavily on the financial services of the City – itself taking a share of overseas productive activity by dealing in futures, traded produce, bonds and currencies – and borrowing. The latter, of course, relying on our future ability to be productive and have thriving productive private sector that pays taxes.

      • Yes, government could pay Nett salary only, and do away with a third of it’s income tax division.

  20. The way I see it, the various problems stack as follows:

    1. We have an aging population due to the fact that we’re all living longer. This, while a good thing, creates a pensions time-bomb.
    2. Politicians only deal in short term solutions because they are slaves to the electoral cycle. Kicking the can down the road and living to fight another day is vastly preferable to them to making difficult, but ultimately correct decisions. (See also: Brexit.)
    3. Their chosen short-term solution was to bring in masses of immigrants to artificially lower the age of the population. (This is of course completely self-defeating as those immigrants will also age, though for a while their high birth rates may ameliorate the effect. It won’t last though as immigrant birth rates regress towards the mean the longer they stay.)
    4. This requires them to provide more accommodation, which they can’t, and only further exacerbates the effect of Gordon Brown’s decision to gut pensions in 1997, which led directly to the housing price inflation in 2004 as people piled their money into property instead.
    5. This would all blow up in their faces but for the combination of young people’s natural idealism and the left wing indoctrination they received in what can laughingly be called our education system. Resulting in them literally keeping demanding more of the poison that’s killing them.
    6. Maintaining this house of cards requires increasing amounts of money. Eventually, it’ll reach maximum entropy and collapse of course, but that’s the next lot’s problem! (see point 2.) In the meantime, they tax here, borrow there and cut somewhere else. And so things get worse and worse so that by the time the point comes where we can literally no longer afford it, no one will be able to pay for it anyway.

    Solutions? There are no solutions, not politically workable ones anyway. (see point 2.) We just have to wait for the whole rotton thing to collapse so we can start again.

    • “due to the fact that we’re all living longer.”

      We are not living longer, see comment above with link.

    • Bog off. Your lot didn’t even put up the top rate until they saw an election coming that they knew they were going to take a pasting in. It was nothing more than a meaningless stunt.

      Your voters might be as thick as mince, but that doesn’t wash around here.

    • Ever heard of the Laffer Curve?

      “All the cash stays in house” – load of cobblers. How is it going to buy equipment and drugs, for a start? It will always rely on outsourcing to non-public organisations to function for those aspects, and if that extends to outsourcing services then so what?

      • Can’t speak to equipment, really. But what the NHS has been doing is buying American drugs at a price that is well below the cost of production. So are many others state run health care organizations. Well, Trump says he’s going to end that, which would help considerably in our health care, since we are the one subsidizing the NHS and such. Not gonna be very good news for Britain though.

        Essentially, I agree with The Prez above, we’re moving in the right direction now, but I see no sign that anybody in Britain is even willing to think about it. What can’t go on won’t though. It’ll all crash, and it won’t be all that long.

  21. And here’s me thinking that this five million influx was supposed to be full of eager beaver workers stepping in to balance off an aging and retiring population.

    Then I read that 50% of British Pakistani males are unemployed which leaps to 70% for the women.

    When a government promotes the fire in preference to the frying pan this is the oh so predictable result.

    Here’s a taste of what’s to come.

  22. “To repeat the Times summary of the future for The Youth: The younger generation of workers face the unenviable prospect of living indefinitely in rental accommodation and working for many years longer to support a rapidly ageing growing population.”

    Fixed it for you….

    • No they don’t, Houses wont disappear,…..
      They may have to wait until we snuff it, but hey it’s free………like most other things they’ve had.

  23. The solution to socialism is capitalism. The mixed economy is failing and we need to move to laissez faire capitalism as swiftly as possible. That does not mean ‘privatisation’ which is socialism by other means, but full on capitalism in which the state is strictly delimited to the protection of individual rights. The longer we leave this to go on, the worse it will become, until we get some kind of totalitarianism at some point and a general collapse of western civilisation.

  24. What if all the young people moved to an unfashionable town, where they are practically giving properties away, en masse.

    With a critical mass of energetic, idealistic thought leaders, they could create a whole new, better world in a totally new post code.

    Instead, they all gravitate to London and work for the patriarchal hegemony, constantly ordering chocolate chip ice cream then complaining about all the brown bits.

    I’m sure I saw somewhere that in towns in the North East, you can pick up a house for less than the price of a Latte.

    Wouldn’t it be great to live in a town that’s not dominated by omnipotent US brands?

    I wonder if are youth are brave enough to buy a coffee that didn’t come from Starbucks?

    Surely, the technology is available for them to organise a mass migration and a colonisation of a different part of Britain, which they can shape exactly how they want it.

    If enough young creatives moved to, say, Workington, I’m sure the all important mass media would sit up and take notice. Instead of ignoring them.

    • The reason houses are so ‘cheap’ (actually, they aren’t) in the North East is that no-one wants to live there. People leave for university and never return. Others leave because they can’t find decent work. They move south, to join the rest of the mob in over-priced properties, battling endless traffic and neighbourhoods with not a single native living there, all for a job that doesn’t pay enough to live on, because competition from immigrants is so strong that mick-take wages are all that’s available.

    • Hull it’s by the sea for surfin ‘N schit. and a few 100 quid will transform it.

      And close enough to Scotland for them to demand Hadrians wall is finally completed.

    • ‘I wonder if our youth are brave enough to buy a coffee that didn’t come from Starbucks?’

      Or, indeed, smart enough to make themselves a cup of coffee at a fraction of the cost?

      Seriously, good post.

    • If I were one of the young with a head full of ambition and talent I would emigrate whilst other countries would still take me. In the future we British will be no more welcome in other countries than immigrants to Britain.

  25. ‘A lack of affordability in housing’ – No, it’s the lack of housing (in the right places). Simple market economics of supply & demand. We need either more housing in the right place or fantastic transport system to bring workers to their housing.


      • We’re down that road a long way now, with 1.4 children instead of the 2.1 we need to sustain the population. That is without any allowance for immigrants, which just goes to highlight the numbers of immigrants we have been taking, since housing prices have been going through the roof.

  26. You can have an almost certain bet that when someone talks about ‘generation rent’ they are infected by the life in London and don’t have a clue about life outside it.
    This is indeed true of the author.

    Away from the metropolis house prices are much cheaper, and much more affordable. Houses can still be purchased for well under £100K in Northern cities and very cheaply indeed if one is prepared to live in one of the less favoured areas.

    Alas the young these days are often not prepared to make any concession for their lifestyle, they want it all and they want it now, so only the posher, hippest coolest areas will do – often that means they escape the multicultural hell holes which those on the left seem to want to avoid like the plague.

    The very concept of ‘generation rent’ is a false one which only applies to London and so therefore the entire article is based on a false premise and is wrong from the very start.

    • If houses are cheap, its’s because wages are low, jobs are scarce, transport and other facilities are lacking and people don’t want to live there if they can avoid it.

    • I somewhat agree, but the fact is, house prices are low in the North as a result of the new printed money pouring into London which created a property bubble and with it, a malinvestment in new businesses providing employment. In the North we haven’t seen this bubble and house prices are comparatively low whilst well paying jobs are few.

    • Flaketime.

      There is a reason there are “less favoured” areas. And it is not down to snobbery.

      It goes without saying that there are/ were lots of “less favoured” areas in London.

      However they had access to a thriving employment market.

      I moved to London for work. I’d love to move out. But I need to work. I’m not the only one.

      You are chatting complete nonsense, it’s astounding how arrogant you can be when you are so, so wrong.

      • LOL R I used to live in London so I do know a little of which I speak.

        I sympathise with your position, but have you looked for work outside ‘the smoke’? Have you compared the salaries on offer Vs the cost of living?

        A solicitor or accountant practicing out of London gets paid less, but it costs much less to live and less time to commute home too.
        The point is that outside of London people can still afford to buy their own home, and it isn’t a generation of renters, save in the overheated South East.

  27. If there is hope it lies in Generation Z. Interestingly they seem to be, overall, much more conservative than the previous few generations.

    We can think of the late 1960s cultural revolution as essentially a mass rebellion by the youth. They didn’t want to go to Church, get married and have a family with traditional gender roles. Everything they did, from drug taking to extra-marital sex to dismissing their wedding vows, it was all teenage angst that leaked into politics due to the sheer volume of the post-war baby boom generation.

    But now they’ve eroded every last part of the old regime they’ve created a new regime, far more stifling and far less conducive to the new life. Today’s teenagers will probably start rebelling against it. Their left-wing teachers and the suffocating PC dogma they get forced down their throats are the new status quo, and they will want to rebel against it. If we look at movements like the Alt-Right, the neoreactionaries and the new-libertarians, they are predominantly young people, often men aged in their late teens and early 20s. Extreme social liberalism is going to see a backlash.

    Conservatism is the new radicalism.

      • I’m not that optimistic. By the time they’re able to influence public life we’ll probably have the Islamic Brotherhood (formerly Labour) winning elections.

  28. There are no suggestions we would make that would be implemented by the Elite Liberals who rule us.

  29. The young want it all, they seem to want to stint themselves of nothing, whereas, my generation saved for a rainy day, went without all the trappings the young perceive as their ‘right’, to buy a house. That house on my eventual drift into old age will be seized by the State to pay for my medical needs. I have not one shred of pity for the young generally.

  30. Some of you may remember the self important (was he a barrister?) Keith Vaz going to Dover on 1 January what ever year it was, when Romanians had been granted unlimited access to the UK, proclaiming that there was no issue, as he had not seen any Romanians. (We now have 400,000 Romanians). Of course the NHS needs and will always need more, and more, and more….it can never be sated with unlimited free for all immigration. We will go broke, but in a way, that’s what the Left want.

  31. We need to replace the NHS with a heavily regulated insurance market with independent (church, municipal etc) providers as in France and Germany and much of Europe.

    And obviously somehow cut immigration drastically and boost the native birth rate.

  32. Anyone who has been treated in the medical systems in Western Europe knows that the NHS is nowhere near the best. If the Remainers get their way, the NHS will have to become like the rest of Europe, an insurance based system.

  33. The nation’s health should not be under the direct control of politicians. But the power this competence confers is irresistible to the political class, who generally crave power – and the opportunity to pose as public benefactors – above all else. Furthermore, with exceptions, the British public is socialist to the core, having been corrupted by years of free stuff. Give people something for nothing and they will not only come to regard it as a right but also abuse it.

    It will take a leader brave to the point of suicidal to address this, but the answer is to facilitate a change to a market-driven insurance based scheme. This would also work wonders for the country’s morals and personal responsibility.

    With regard to immigration, I have been told over and over again by friends from other countries that it is our crazily generous benefits system that draws people here. If immigrants genuinely had to pay their way, it would at a stroke distinguish between those who are going to make a contribution and those who are not.

    • Agree with all you wrote especially the part about personal responsibility.

      The NHS puts the financial responsibility on everyone for the bad choices that individuals make. How much responsibility for oneself, even subconsciously, is lost by knowing that the tab is picked up collectively?

  34. Answer? No, they cannot afford it, but according to our MPs, someone can, somewhere, anywhere…..

  35. It’s only this perverted emotional attachment to a socialist golden egg dinosaur from 1948 that stops the current political class from using logic to solve this problem. The problem being the NHS doesn’t have enough money. The NHS will always be a bottomless pit in its present form.

    Reform the NHS to an insurance based scheme as the rest of Europe has, and suddenly your constant funding crisis ends.

    None of the rest of the world copies the NHS they all have insurance based schemes. Before people say how wonderful it is, just ask yourself why none of the well paid professionals around the world, that I work with, use the NHS? They always go home for treatment. They are highly critical of it and call it a complete joke. This envy of the world nonsense is complete delusion.

    • “This envy of the world”

      aye but only navel gazing and sloshing about acting like tin Gods, in their own bubble bath they are.

      Count up, have a look, number how many “wonderful NHS” programmes there are on UK TV ie ‘Davina slums it down at A&E’……….. this week, a myriad ambulance, nurses, docs and the tea lady, both fiction and faction.
      Know it, that, one of the major problems is, the NHS is the greatest spinner of devious webs, it is, a formidable and relentless propagandizer of its own “wonderulness”, these Panglossian efforts also paint an erroneous portrait, “wonderful staff + orrible awful patients and the relentless muzak ‘the CUTs/understaffing/aren’t we martyrs’?”

      The UK public never see the otherside/attempted cover ups of the awfulness (up and down the country, it still goes on) – of the wonderfulness, do they?

  36. The NHS wastes money all day everyday.

    It does not need more money, it needs vicious spending limits and good slimmed down management.

    • I had a hip replacement some years ago, and was provided with 2 crutches when I went home. Some 2 months later I took them back to the hospital. I had great difficulty in getting anyone to take them back. Eventually a nurse took them and put then in a room with dozens of other crutches. I was not asked my name – I could still have them if I had wished.
      My father also had a hip replacement. When he died, 20 years later, I found the raised lavatory seat (provided for all such patients) in his loft – no one in the NHS had wanted it back, but I returned it. No wonder the NHS is short of money.

    • I told my Leftist neighbour that Amazon should run our local NHS hospital and he was appalled, “I would have to pay for everything then”.

      • And here, Amazon is indeed starting to move into healthcare, and it looks as if it can streamline somethings and reduce cost by quite a lot. And that in a mixed economy, sort of free market. Unimaginable what they could do there.

    • Indeed, the NHS wastes obscene amounts on highly paid overmanned administration departments, overpaying for goods and services it uses and has an expensive pension system that is the envy of those forced to pay for it.

      The NHS isn’t just an ineffectual way to deliver healthcare it has achieved almost religious status. Changing it will take immense political will to overcome its vested interests.

      We could have an insurance based system which should give consumers power to decide where and how they receive treatment. The Dutch system shifted from a nationalised system to something like this over the last few decades. Or we could have catastrophic insurance policies alongside compulsory healthcare savings plans similar to pensions as they have in Singapore.

      We cannot continue with such a nationalised system which eats money and will continue to lobby for more using emotional blackmail.

  37. It is no use pouring endless streams of money into the NHS, That will only create a demand for more and more. Instead we need to ask a pretty basic question: To what extent can we continue to fund a demand driven service when the key drivers of that demand are an ever increasing population, more and more expensive technology and a perception that the taxpayer can fund treatment for everything from an in-growing toenail to treatment for obesity.

    • We need to look at other competing systems honestly – most of those who cheerlead for the NHS use selective data (e.g. always using the same measure that the NHS does well on – that doesn’t measure outcomes much !). People worship the NHS in the UK, well some do, but it’s surprising that nobody else has attempted to copy it.

      It is always compared to the US’s mess, worse under OBarmyCare, but there are lots of competing models.

  38. Increasing demand from immigrants who’ve never or hardly ever paid in is the main problem, but that doesn’t stop the lefty mob only blaming pensioners who’ve paid in all their lives.

  39. Despite having one of the largest tax economies in the world the UK is technically bankrupt.

    We need to cut taxes and balance the books.

    How? The NHS, Social Security, Overseas Aid, Childcare Funding, early years schooling and most grants to “charities” need to go.

    Saving? £450 billion per year.

    E.g this could mean zero VAT, zero fuel duty, 15% income tax and much reduced NI and double defence expenditure and or roads etc and start to pay off substantial sums off the deficit

    Give a family on 50k at least 10k to 15k of their own money back to them. Currently they pay 60% tax, with rates, income tax, NI and fuel duty making up most of this.

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