Laura Perrins: My daughters won’t be poisoned by feminist piffle

If there is one thing I intend to save both my daughters from, it is the poisonous, odious feminist ideology. If it takes my last drop of blood, I will prevent their minds being warped by this destructive nonsense that tells them they will face a lifetime of discrimination in the workplace and personal attacks on campus. I will protect them from the victimhood that is the sisterhood – so help me God.

During the Super Bowl in the US, Audi took it upon themselves to belittle girls and women with the following ad. A male voice in a grave tone says: "What do I tell my daughter? Do I tell that her grandpa is worth more than her grandma? That her dad is worth more than her mom? Do I tell her that despite her education, her drive, her skills, her intelligence, she will automatically be valued as less than every man she ever meets?

"Or maybe ... I'll be able to tell her something different."

Yes, maybe you should stop lying to her. Maybe you should lay-off the propaganda and tell her that she is living in a time and place of unparalleled fabulousness for women – where with drive and determination she can achieve professional and personal success if that is what she wants.

Perhaps, you should tell her that she is likely to out-perform her male friends throughout her education and at university as well as out-earn them in their 20s. She can continue to out-earn them if she works the same hours, in the same job. If she works fewer hours in less well paid jobs she will be paid less and if she graduates with a major in gender studies and a minor in lesbian dance, the chances are the engineering graduate will earn more than her.

Mind you, I will be telling my daughters there is a lot more to life than worldly success. That first and foremost kindness, decency and manners matter. I will tell her that family and friends should be valued and nurtured. That one should live by morals and norms as opposed to mere emotions and feelings.

Only in the sad world of feminism do people think their grandpa is ‘worth more than their grandma’. Is this because he earned more than her? So what? Who in their right mind judges anybody by their pay-cheque? The feminists it seems. This is so deranged it is almost beyond satire.

And it would be funny if it were not so serious. Because the truth is – as I have said before – modern feminism is turning our young women into weak, pathetic moaning minnies. It is morally wrong to lie to, disempower and infantilise our daughters in this way.

When feminists hear an idea that clashes with their world-view, they run to their safe space clinging to their teddy and stroking their puppy. Books that are challenging must have trigger warnings. This is seriously life-limiting.

So I will allow my daughters their teddies and the safe space of their home for now (the eldest is 7) but I expect them to grow into responsible, decent, serious young women in the future. In sum, I hope they will be conservatives.

Laura Perrins

  • Colkitto03

    Well said,
    Feminism only speaks for 10% of women, if that.
    There was a report this week out that showed that manual labour, and shift based working has a considerable negative effect on female fertility. What was the feminist response to that? Zero I have seen.
    This is because working class women, in manual jobs, or shift work simply do not register to feminists. They are boring inconvenience to the cause. They don’t matter.
    Better to campaign on the apparent oppression caused by wearing high heels.

    • Busy Mum

      The problem is that feminism has a disproportionate influence in the education system and is largely the gospel that is being preached to these children from the age of four (two and three for those children whose parents have succumbed to the state).
      By the time the 90% of women have realised that they have been lied to, they have already been damaged by losing their best years to a life of ‘weak and pathetic moaning’ as Laura describes it.
      Judging from my own daughters’ experiences (and my older girls are now in their early twenties), only about 10% girls, as opposed to women, see that feminism does NOT speak for them.

      • AKM

        I was going to say something similar.
        While 10% (or whatever) of women identify as feminist, almost all women are heavily influenced by feminists and other fellow travellers. Media aimed at women is constantly pushing numerous issues related to feminism, green-politics, organic food, alternative medicine and economically dubious ‘fair trade’ products. Within women’s magazines the world ‘natural’ has come to be synonymous with good, moral and healthy, despite their being uncountable numbers of entirely natural, toxins, diseases and parasites. Most non-feminist women have internalised a lot of the politically correct ideas that have surrounded them as they were being brought up.

    • wisestreligion

      10%? I think a recent survey showed only 9% of women considered themselves feminists, and a lower percentage of men. Of course, if you look at the BBC, journalism, the law and female MPs the percentage of feminists approaches 100%.

    • Reborn

      My wife’s still a looker.
      30 years ago, downright ugly feminists, wearing dungarees, used to berate her
      about wearing makeup & tried to get a statue in a local art gallery removed because
      it depicted a lightly clad woman.
      The ringleader was married to a man who can only be described as miserable
      & weak.
      We both support womens’ rights in all aspects of life, including respect for home makers
      & stay at home mothers. Ditto if home makers are male.
      Children who have one resident parent to welcome them after school usually turn out better than “latch key kids” (a term of disapproval from the 1950s)
      But, this is because of simple justice.
      Feminists aren’t interested in natural justice.
      They are interested in slagging off men & destroying family life.

      • Colkitto03

        Good post!
        Its ironic into it that you obviously support genuine choice for women and yet the feminists patently don’t.
        They have hijacked the word ‘choice’ and turned it on it head.

        • Reborn

          I still seethe at the case of a year or two back when a top research scientist (forgotten name) was hounded out of his profession & allowed no
          more research funds or contact with students.
          He made a mild joke about female scientists falling for males.
          The audience were amused & enjoyed the mild joke.
          Several present came to his defence.
          He’s now a non person & a waste of great talent.

          • Alan

            Sir Tim Hunt. Now IIRC in Japan.

          • Reborn

            Thanks.
            Hope he’s respected in a nation that respects real feminity

  • Mary Conley

    Oh so true. But I grew up in a middle class family where my three brothers and alcoholic father were rated by my mother as more important. However I was not aware of any barriers in the wider world so long as I could show ability. That was many decades ago and I wonder if the BBC has to answer for, first of all addressing a stereotype female and later, out of fear, setting out to destroy the female threat by pushing forward the gay agenda? Girls quite naturally react by adopting a goth/lesbian/savage huntress/feminist image.
    Is there any hope of undoing this confrontation. Laura, while your children remain under your sole influence, so good, but how will they march out of step with the other girls? – hard.

    • Busy Mum

      The gay lobby has so much to answer for. It is wrecking children’s lives and is the biggest cause of the ‘mental health crisis’, in my opinion. Children now have two paths open to them; become an over-confident, inconsiderate, pushy loudmouthed savage – boy or girl – or else be deemed to be gay. Ladies and gentlemen have become a thing of the past.

      • Kanaris

        Wow, really? Is there evidence, or do you just hate reflexively?

        • Busy Mum

          Where is the evidence for ‘hate’ in what I have written?
          I have good reason to hate if I were so inclined.
          If you knew what the gay lobby have done to wreck one of my daughters – and what went on in her entire school year – which had been the ‘pilot’ for an assembly taken by 16 year old q’s and their adult minders to scare the wits out of 130 12 year olds, and which became the first year group ever to require a special parents’ meeting run by psychologists, doctors etc etc because of the sudden prevalence of ‘mental health issues’, you would know I have plenty of evidence. But it is conveniently called homophobia…….and so the betrayal of the children goes on and on.

          • Kanaris

            The evidence for hate?

            How about “gay people are causing the mental health crisis”?

            Or “gay people are ruining children’s lives”?

            Both of those indicate hate there.

            And I don’t know about your daughters experience… maybe you’d like to explain it in some more detail?

            (also, what is a “q”? I assume you mean queer, in which case just use the word)

          • Busy Mum

            So if somebody said ‘paedophiles are ruining children’s lives’, would that be a fact or ‘hate’?
            I said the gay lobby – that does not include all ‘gay’ people.
            No, I would not like to explain my daughter’s case in more detail.
            Yes, q meant queer – I was not sure if the word would get past the comment veto.

          • Kanaris

            Last time I checked paedophilia isn’t defined as a sexual orientation, so it’s not covered by hate speech legislation.

            There is no such thing as the “gay” lobby. It just doesn’t exist. There are gay people, trying to help out other gay people, but there’s not some big old gay conspiracy trying to infect your children’s minds.

            If you’re not willing to go into more detail then we can’t really examine the basis for what appears to be your irrational hatred, in which case it just remains irrational hatred, and pretty close to actual hate speech

          • Busy Mum

            So it’s OK to hate some people but not others? Goodness, you do discriminate, don’t you.
            What do you call Stonewall, if it isn’t a gay lobby?
            And there is a conspiracy. It is called the Gay Front Liberation Manifesto.

          • Labour_is_bunk

            “So it’s OK to hate some people but not others?”.

            Tut tut, BM, you know it makes sense – just ask Madonna or Meryl Streep for instance.

          • Busy Mum

            Slight correction – it is OK for some people to hate some people.

          • Kanaris

            Hahaha, I love it when you miss the point.

            We have hate speech legislation in this country (legislation meaning part of law, in case you were confused). Part of our hate speech legislation covers speech about sexual orientation of which being gay is a part. As far as I’m aware, we’re yet to classify paedophillia as a sexual orientation, so speech about paedophiles is currently not covered by legislation. Got it?

            Stonewall is a charity, just like Christian Aid, or World Vision, or CARE. Would you say there’s a “Christian lobby”?

            Oh wow, the GLF? How many people, let alone gay people, are aware of them? And the manifesto is a position statement, not evidence of a conspiracy.

          • Kanaris

            Also here’s the list of immediate demands from the GLF:

            -that all discrimination against gay people, male and female, by the law, by employers, and by society at large, should end.

            -that all people who feel attracted to a member of their own sex be taught that such feeling are perfectly valid.

            -that sex education in schools stop being exclusively heterosexual.

            -that psychiatrists stop treating homosexuality as though it were a sickness, thereby giving gay people senseless guilt complexes.

            -that gay people be as legally free to contact other gay people, though newspaper ads, on the streets and by any other means they may want as are heterosexuals, and that police harassment should cease right now.

            -that employers should no longer be allowed to discriminate against anyone on account of their sexual preferences.

            – that the age of consent for gay males be reduced to the same as for straight.

            -that gay people be free to hold hands and kiss in public, as are heterosexuals.

            None of that is particularly extreme now, is it?

          • Busy Mum

            Yes, it is.

          • Kanaris

            How?

          • Busy Mum

            If it isn’t extreme, it has to be mainstream.

          • Kanaris

            I’d say 95% of people, if asked on the street, would say all of the above demands are entirely reasonable

          • Busy Mum

            They would be too scared of the hate speech laws to say otherwise.

          • James Chilton

            Whether this list of demands can be justified as “not particularly extreme”, depends on your starting assumptions.

          • Phil R

            I am an employer. If any of my people are gay or indeed get up to anything else in their time i might not approve of.

            They are not in my face about it because they are decent, respectful and not stupid!

          • Busy Mum

            So if paedophilia is redefined by the state as a sexual orientation(there are moves to do this in Canada I believe) you will stop hating them and allow them to run assemblies in schools and tell children how important it is to recognise this ‘difference’?
            Yes, there is a Christian lobby but as they are not covered by hate speech legislation they can be ignored whilst the gay lobby gets to dictate policy.

          • Kanaris

            Well that’s an interesting question, and yes. Though that’s hugely unlikely, isn’t it.

            Hahahahahaha! Religions are completely covered by hate speech legislation – it’s what the legislation was originally designed for. And you don’t think the Christian lobby dictates policy? Here’s a link to one Christian charities direct affect on policies in Parliament: https://www.care.org.uk/news/impact-direct

          • Busy Mum

            Hugely unlikely? That’s what our forebears would have said about same-sex ‘marriage’.

          • Kanaris

            Which forebears would those have been? The Romans? They were pretty ok with the whole thing

            How about the gay couple who got married by a priest in 1061?

          • Busy Mum

            And what happened to the Romans?

          • Kanaris

            Also, nice work completely ignoring the Christian Lobby

          • Busy Mum

            Not everything that self-identifies as Christian is so in fact.

          • Kanaris

            Wait, wait, wait. CARE is not Christian?

            “CARE’S MANDATE
            Our mission is: to declare Christian truth and demonstrate Christ’s compassion in society.

            Our goals are to:
            Promote Christian action, research and education to support children, single people,marriage and family life effectively.
            Encourage Christians to pray for society and to recognise the dignity and worth of every individual person from fertilisation to life’s natural end.
            Assist Christians to understand social and moral issues in public policy, education and the community.
            Challenge Christians to become actively involved in the democratic process, to be effective salt and light where there is a need for truth and justice.
            Equip Christians to show the love of Christ in their communities through practical caring.”

            That’s not Christian?!

          • Busy Mum

            Being Christian is believing that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God, whose kingdom is not of this world.

          • Little Black Censored

            I think this tiresome Kanaris person used to be called Fabian Delusions.

          • Phil R

            There are a huge number of charities. Some like Stonewall seem to get hold of a lot of my taxes……..

          • Tricia

            pull the other leg or try wool over eyes. Is Stonewall not “advising” the Education Department nowadays? Have they not chosen the books which are being placed on the shelves to “educate” the children in the way they wish.

          • Little Black Censored

            We use initials to save trouble, as in LGBTXYZ.

          • Alaric the Vis

            An opinion or even a disagreement doesn’t equal ‘hate’. This used to be a rare word and it’s now thrown about with gay abandon.

        • Bik Byro

          She just goes over the top from time to time

          • Busy Mum

            Anything wrong with that?

          • Russell

            IMO, the same ‘Powers That Be’ that pushed the ‘Feminist Lobby’ are now pushing the ‘Gay Lobby’. They just use more grassroots organizations to do it publicly – through institutional support and funding.

  • Vox Populi

    Amen! to that, Laura. And we will stand with you. We will protect our daughters and our girls in our Sunday schools and churches and communities until this vile sickness is eradicated.

    • Bik Byro

      Yeah, good strategy, because nearly every girl in the country goes to Sunday school .. oh, wait ….

  • North Angle

    “And it would be funny if it were not so serious. Because the truth is – as I have said before – modern feminism is turning our young women into weak, pathetic moaning minnies.”

    Feminism is not just turning young women into weak and pathetic moaners, it’s turning young men into weak-willed, pathetic fools who virtue-signal that they’re feminists and are against “toxic masculinity”, whatever that means. Such “men” wouldn’t know what a real man was if he put up a shelf for them.

    • Busy Mum

      And it is likely to become even more dangerous in schools now.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/09/sex-relationship-classes-set-taught-secondary-schools-23-tory/
      Sex education is the main vehicle for their propaganda. It sounds innocuous enough but you only need to know who has been pushing for it to be made compulsory to smell a rat.
      I am not going to succumb. I will either make private arrangements with my schools – or home educate.

      • Phil R

        School vouchers. To use as the parents wish. The only way forward.

        Plus disband OFSTED

    • Bik Byro

      Haha, the irony is that compliant men turn themselves into sensitive virtue-signalling, soft lentil-eaters thinking that is what women want, and then they get constantly cast to one side by all the women that wanted a “real man” all along!

      • North Angle

        100% correct Bik.

      • Kanaris

        You think? As a polyamorous male feminist with 5 female partners I’d have to disagree

        • Busy Mum

          You are an adulterer – but that doesn’t mean I ‘hate’ you.

          • Kanaris

            Oooh I’m an adulterer am I? I’m also bi, and believe in reincarnation, and have previously been a member of the Satanists (and the IWW, and the CPGB), so I’m really ticking all of your “enemy” boxes, ain’t I?

          • Bik Byro
          • Kanaris

            I like you, you’re fun

          • Phil R

            CofE standard vicar speak now.

            Satire in the 1980s

          • Busy Mum

            And I daresay I tick your ‘enemy’ box, so we’re quits.

          • PAD

            Takes all sorts

  • Timmy

    Just wait until they take their first gender studies class.

    • redduster

      600dfella on you tube does a great send up of gender studies.

  • redduster

    “major in gender studies and a minor in lesbian dance, the chances are the engineering graduate will earn more than her”.
    Perhaps, then again perhaps not. I think you under-estimate the financial rewards of the gender studies brigade. Wasn’t Oxford advertising one such vacancy at £60K p.a. A large charity, a few months back, was also advertising for a similar vacancy for similar reward. A Manchester NHS Trust is currently seeking such a well paid individual. Equality practitioners are embedded everywhere within public and private sectors.

    Have a Masters crash course: ‘Women good, men bad’; ‘LGBT good, heterosexual bad’; ‘BME good, white bad’. You passed, hang your diploma on the wall and coast along in life.

    All thanks to Blair and his sidekick Harman with their ‘Equality’ Act.

    • Nigel S

      I fear you are right. My son and daughter-in-law are both engineering graduates (2:1 and 1st from a proper university, generations of engineers on both sides) working with the top firms in UK but they can’t afford to live in London. They sent me Dilbert’s ‘Salary Theorem’.
      As every engineer knows Power = Work/Time
      Since: Knowledge = Power and Time = Money
      It follows that: Knowledge = Work/Money and Money = Work/Knowledge
      Conclusion: As Knowledge approaches zero, Money approaches infinity, regardless of the amount of work done and hence:
      The less you know, the more you make.

      • Busy Mum

        !!
        And vice versa, the more you make, the less you know, or the less you want to know.
        Truly, the love of money is the root of all evil.

  • Craig Martin

    My Grandad earned more than my Grandma.

    My Grandad started to train as a butcher when he left school.

    My Grandad also joined the army and went to Africa where he drove trucks across the desert, carrying supplies, whilst trying to avoid being strafed by the Luftwaffe.

    My Grandad once survived a German ambush and repelled the attackers. They all cheered at the time and bragged about it a lot, but he told me that he’d always felt sad that he had to kill those Germans, even though they were the ‘bad’ guys.

    My Grandad once lost a couple of his friends when their truck rolled over a mine. He lost a lot more over the duration of his stay.

    My Grandad was eventually sent home after his convoy was shot up by the Luftwaffe and left him injured. The three inch long scar above his left ear displayed the route that one bullet took, but it was the shards of metal and glass across his hip that made him unable to continue his duties.

    My Grandad continued his trade as a butcher after the war. Paying off the mortgage, helping to make sure that his wife was able to bring up his daughter and had the things they needed whilst trying to keep food upon a table. He did this until he retired in 1986.

    My Grandad died in 1989 of a heart attack.

    My Grandma never earned as much as my Grandad.
    But I get to see her every week. She’s 94 and still misses him.

    • Busy Mum

      Sounds like my grandad. Would our grandads have bothered if they could see what their grandchildren have to put up with?
      We have to fight on…they fought and so must we.

      • Craig Martin

        You are absolutely correct.
        It would be offensive to them if we didn’t.

    • jb

      Thank you for that My grandmother did not have the vote until 1918 Nor did my grandfather. He had to fight in a war that was not of his own making Who had it best?

    • redduster

      Fair comment Craig. However, not everything is as it may seem. Men and women made sacrifices in both world wars. My own grandfathers were at the front in WW1. What is somewhat forgotten is that my grandmothers were at near starvation as they struggled to raise a family. Their story goes untold. Then throw in the ‘canaries’ of the munitions factories with their flossie jaws. In WW2 my father had a difficult war as did my mother with bombing, shortages and long hours at work.
      Don’t let those spiteful, demented, feministas drive a wedge between us.

      • Craig Martin

        I assure you Redduster, that we are singing from the same sheet. My comment is simply a condemnation of the Audi ad which is made to appear that the men prospered whilst women were left behind -which is simply not true. BOTH men and women had it tough, but I won’t let the SJW, Feminasties and approval seekers claim that women had it worse.

    • Rob

      My Grandad also joined the army and went to Africa where he drove
      trucks across the desert, carrying supplies, whilst trying to avoid
      being strafed by the Luftwaffe.

      My Grandad once survived a German
      ambush and repelled the attackers. They all cheered at the time and
      bragged about it a lot, but he told me that he’d always felt sad that he
      had to kill those Germans, even though they were the ‘bad’ guys.

      ————————
      My grandad did something similar in North Africa with supplies for the army.
      He eventually ended up in Germany and marrying a German !

      I think he turn in his grave to see everything the men died for being thrown under a bus for some feminist snowflakes.

      • Craig Martin

        Hero!

  • Stuart Fairney

    Call me a traditionalist, but shouldn’t Audi be spending shareholder cash on adverts about why I should buy an Audi?

    (PS Following this farce, I’ve bought my last)

    • Colonel Mustard

      More and more corporates are adopting this sanctimonious SJW crap and “Yvette Cooper” hushed voice and bleeding heart posturing in their advertising. The banks have started it too, peddling that touchy-feely, candlelit vigil, let’s all hug each other stuff while they rip their customers off.

      • Labour_is_bunk

        Now even the Nationwide (poetry readings) – who since they are a building society, aren’t officially allowed to rip people off.

        • brownowl

          The last one of the Nationwide adverts I saw wasn’t even a poem, it was some turgid prose masquerading as a poem. But then, I’m old-fashioned enough to think that a poem should scan, have meter and actually rhyme.

          • Alaric the Vis

            I’m old fashioned enough to want some interest on my money.

          • Labour_is_bunk

            Wish I’d thought of that!!

            (This week, National Savings announced more savings rate cuts & reduction of the Premium Bond “pot” – so the Govt obviously doesn’t want our money).

          • Phil R

            It doesn’t.

            It just prints what it needs

      • They say it works:

        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/03/activism-sells-brands-social-conscience-advertising

        I say there is a backlash coming, and quite soon. I have a friend whose blog has a list of companies that have told Trump supporters they don’t want our business. There are 900+ companies on it. I’ll happily comply with their desire, myself.

        • Colonel Mustard

          You are suffering, as we are, from an increasingly politicised society where radical political activists, instead of seeking election and having to persuade people to vote for them, have found it easier to infiltrate and either influence or gain control over the corporate, public and third sectors.

          Already we are seeing the problems caused by politically active judges and lawyers with judicial reviews intended to impede government policy promulgated on a democratic mandate.

          Unelected leftist ideologues have learned how to wield and maintain power., They seem to network a sinister groupthink too, like the Invasion of the Body Snatchers, which might be down to Common Purpose and its neurolinguistic programming of “leading beyond authority”.

          Civil servant management started to sel-appoint itself as “leaders” sometime after 1989 when Common Purpose got going, with links to the Chicago community organising that produced Obama.

    • Bik Byro
    • Russell

      Audi did actually. Check out this interesting analysis of the real reason one should buy an Audi behind the superficial, anti-male, feminist advertisement:

      http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/02/real-message-behind-audis-super-bowl-ad-isnt-exactly-uplifting-one/

  • Aethelflaed

    I make sure that my daughters, god daughters, neices, grand daughters, and younger women friends all know that I believe in my experience that a good MARRIAGE is worth golddust (and that it takes hard work). Also, that bringing up children and giving time to that task is an investment in life and happiness – the older you get, the more happiness you get from what you have put in. And, that over a certain age, the desire for material fashionable possessions, and job status lessens considerably – and you wonder why they were ever held up to be the be all and end all of life !!

    As for Feminism I openly hold it in the deepest of contempt – and that is as someone who has still got my original, well used, copy of The Female Eunuch on my bookshelves. In the 1970’s Women’s Lib was necessary – but the war was won long ago. Now the focus needs to be on young men in our society and ensure they are not disadvantaged, whilst protecting girls from the undesireable effects that multi-cultural immigration has brought to these shores.

    • Busy Mum

      Was women’s lib really necessary in the 70’s?
      I must be younger than you – and I cannot see that it was. It was the first drop of poison.

      • Aethelflaed

        Yes.

        • Busy Mum

          Why?

          • Aethelflaed

            Because women were offically not treated equally. For example if you had an established position in the Civil Service and then married, you had to become what was called unestablished – with less security.

            If you took out an HP (hire purchase agreement) as a wife, you had to have your husband’s permission.

            Women did not get equal pay for real equal work.

            There was with some people and air of chauvinism that ran through into decision making – eg court cases. When I married it was common for me to be addressed as Mrs John Smith, even on correspondence just to me. If I wrote a letter, it was not uncommon for my husband to get the reply.

            As an unmarried mother it was shameful and I have friends who had to give their babies away – yes, that is plural. Now I know how this played out in people’s lives.

            Do not confuse the aims of the women’s liberation movement for equality of choice and opportunity, with the aims of the Frankfurt school Feminists who are misandrists who want a female society, and female domination. And do not think either that women’s place in society is either A, or B. The history of women in society shows a continuim from the Taliban school of thought through to extreme misandry.

          • SteadyOn

            Great comments.

          • Busy Mum

            I am quite glad that my Civil Service mother was expected to leave work in order to give me the security instead.
            Husband’s permission for HP was sensible – I’ve heard dreadful stories of women running up huge debts on their husband’s credit cards.
            Equal pay – leave that for another day but I think it may be a red herring?
            I still like to be addressed Mrs John Smith and I still do so for all my married female acquaintances. Mrs Mary Smith is a widow.
            An unmarried mother ought to be ashamed. A bit more shame is needed in today’s society.
            Giving babies away was when the children’s ‘rights’ really existed. The child’s welfare was paramount.

          • Aethelflaed

            Your views but not mine, and as I appear to have the benefit of experience and the understanding that brings, I’ll stick with what I know !! The beauty of conservatism is that it is based on the empirical not the ideological.

          • Busy Mum

            But there appears to have been an element of ideological thinking behind the Women’s Lib movement?

          • jb

            No women did not get equal pay but this was to their advantage as they could undercut mens wages. This could cause male unemployment as men had to earn enough to support a wife or demonstrate that they could do so before being considered eligible. Of course before reliable contraception was available it was considered shameful to be an unmarried mother, this was society trying to provide a form of contraception by making sex outside marriage unacceptable. In the same way racism is considered to be shameful because we want to avoid racial conflict. One more point historically men were held legally responsible for their wifes debts hence the need for a man to OK hire purchase agreements After all she did not go out to work and could simply say “I cant pay” as she did not earn anything. If she had been sent to prison for non payment the children and whole family would have suffered and the family was the basis of society especially before the modern welfare start developed.

          • Reborn

            It was impossible for us not to support equal pay for equal work.
            However, after the Equal Pay legislation of the early 1970s,
            certain economic consequences flowed.
            Briefly, these included house price inflation, more money spent
            on luxuries & foreign holidays.
            Ultimately, more debt, as people borrowed to retain, even improve
            an improved standard of living, when the Marxist unions had ruined
            the economy prior to the Thatcher Revolution.
            We’ve had a fantastically happy marriage of 50 years, based on me working full time & my wife working part time in a job she loves.
            If she had pursued a full time career with all that implies, there would be the matter of, relative, child neglect, even if we employed nannies or sent the kids off to boarding school.
            The socialist policy of rewarding single parents with council flats
            instead of expecting them to be supported by their families
            (or using contraception) has been disastrous.
            But nothing compared with paying “dependents’ benefits to
            men with up to four “wives”. This multicultural obscenity
            is a tricking demographic & moral time bomb.

          • Groan

            I do agree. My mother was widowed at a time where the legal blocks still existed (created by the Victorians in a protective mode). This prevented her from being able to support us her children in the way she wanted. By the following decade these were repealed. As you say the problem is the “feminists” of “class”. At the time of the “Yorkshire ripper” I was at University and in the panic we male students had a lecture about how we might support our female compatriots at a time of great anxiety. The lecture has always stuck with me, the usual stuff about escorting someone home or ordering a taxi, stuff about not appearing to “follow” or be threatening in behaviour. I learned a lot. Things that have been confirmed as useful as I’ve aged.
            The lecture was delivered by two feminists but the tone was entirely about being informative on the presumption that as young men we’d want to be helpful. Overall I particularly noted that females can find males intimidating when that isn’t the intention just because males are bigger and less sensitive to threats themselves. My point being that some sensible stuff that I think men were very unlikely to have thought of themselves (I suspect just the nature of our bodies and more rough behaviour means males are oblivious to some stuff unless told) was imparted in a way that said “we know you are good folk so here’s some stuff you may not know”.
            The difference now is the “all men are rapists/rape culture” starts from a completely different place and demonises (and I suspect actually teaches nothing useful). Perhaps there always was this “men are evil” core but it certainly wasn’t the main story then. It poisons some very real things that both sexes can learn about each other.

          • Phil R

            If you tell young men they are evil.

            They will be.

            History shows it comes naturally to men.

            Stupid and dangerous for any society.

      • jb

        I dont think that womens lib was necessary in the 70s The world changed because women had the contraceptive pill ,refridgerators and washing machines . These were products of capitalism not feminism .

        • James Chilton

          That’s right. Feminism is possible only in an age of affluence.

          • jb

            I think that another important factor was that banks began to take the earnings of both partners into account when offering mortgages From that point on homes with stay at home mothers were at a disadvantage in the housing market and many women were dragged reluctantly into the work force. I do not remember women being very keen to go out to work in the60s The sort of jobs that were available to most people then were pretty mundane and often dirty and dangerous so I have never believed that women in general were desperate to get out of the home.

          • Jethro Asquith

            These are the most important points to be made here. I have been saying the same for years.

        • Mojo

          Just as we are taught that Emily Pankhurst achieved votes for women. However, it was the First World War that achieved it. Women had kept the country running. They had nursed at the front, farmed the land and run the shops and factories. They did not want to return to the home. They realised their money could feed and clothe the children instead of being drunk away each week. They pushed for change and the War gave them that confidence. They pushed for suffrage which included the right of men to vote too. Until 1920 only land and house owners could vote.. Modern society seems to forget how much has been achieved without feminism but by the people themselves pushing for fairness.

          • jb

            I am not sure that you are correct about only only landowners being allowed to vote until 1920 . I think this changed in 1918 when men over 21 and women over 30 could vote I think there were some minor restrictions on some women voting if they lived in lodgings and I think that men who had been conscientious objectors were barred from voting . I would welcome some input on this.

          • Alaric the Vis

            Only male ratepayers could vote, which means many sons couldn’t vote. Indeed, it’s estimated that 40% of men fighting in World War I couldn’t vote. This is almost completely forgotten and feminists never, ever mention it. It doesn’t play to the men are privileged and women are victims narrative.

            In 1918 women over thirty got the vote and five million men got the same privilege, although many of their fathers, brothers and friends were dead who had never had the right to vote. Male privilege.

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11509811/Why-has-everyone-forgotten-about-male-suffrage.html

          • jb

            I think that your estimate that 40% of men were unable to vote could be an underestimate. Remember that” men” as young as 16 were in the trenches. Incidentally this and many other historical distortions and ommisions

          • jb

            Many historical distortions and ommisions are dealt with in Steve Moxons book “The Woman Racket” which I recommend

          • Mojo

            I watched a very informative documentary on the entitlement culture fronted by Jeremy Paxman about four years ago. He gave some statistics about men coming back from War in 1918 with no hope of a job or a home. That women chose not to marry because they preferred to work and have their own money. Don’t forget, in those times once a woman married she was not expected to work. Because of this dilemma for the government it forced many changes and one of them was voting rights. They came into law in 1920. Women over 30 who owned property could already vote. So effectively the very wealthy had the biggest influence.
            Women who were not married could not buy property through a mortgage in their own name until the 1970s. I know because I bought my first flat age 21 on a mortgage guaranteed by my father in 1969. We went through many hoops to get the flat in my name and not his.
            Many things take years to filter through but the programme did show that it was often unrealised consequences that changed society. Like Florence Nightingale insisting on nurses being flown to the front in the Crimean war where care could be administered immediately and not waiting until the injured were brought home. It changed nursing and indeed the way care was administered right through to the 1960s. Like the coming of the Pill, washing machines and vacuum cleaners being affordable which changed the choices for women. I don’t know if you can find the programme in the BBC4 archives. Well worth a watch.

          • jb

            Many thanks for this. The whole question of who had what rights and who didn’t is amazingly complex and inevitably gets simplified. I can understand property owners being nervous at the prospect of non property owners getting the vote, they must have feared that they could be dispossessed in a democratic equivalent of the French revolution.

          • Colkitto03

            Good points, in 1914, 40% of men still did not have the vote. Its never mentioned.
            The story of British wartime production is so rarely told. I live very close indeed to where a Lincolnshire WW2 bomber repair factory was. What the women in this factory/workshop achieved was astounding. In winter, the conditions were freezing. Absenteeism among these women was frowned upon by their peers.
            A lot of focus (rightly) is given to the work of Russian women during the war but the work of British women matched them, and is rarely told.

    • Reborn

      The author of the Female Eunuch has recently been reported to have
      observed that Female Genital Mutilation opens up interesting sexual
      practices.
      Don’t know what that means, but those of us who think females from
      muslim backgrounds need protecting from savagery don’t appreciate the
      observation.

    • Mojo

      Women’s liberation in the 1970s was a myth I am afraid. Your comments on the importance of home, family and marriage were as true then as now. The difference being that many more women were going to University and believed that the right to a job and happiness was more important than staying at home. I know because I was one of those women who did not go to university, had worked from age 16yrs until my first child at Age 33yrs. I wanted to stay home with my child but my peers actively discouraged me. My sister in law indeed, called me a cabbage and a sponger off my husband!!!!! She apologised later when she needed me to look after her own children while she worked.

      Many of those friends are now retired and all regret not spending those early years with their children. I started a small business on my kitchen table while the children were young and turned it into a small but successful company once I was able to return to the work environment. I owned that business with ten staff for twenty years until I retired two years ago.

      Germaine Greer was and is an academic who had any demons to fight. Her book Sorry Daddy shows just how her influence destroyed many traditions. And what for…. Divorce, single parenting, and the demeaning of many young men. I am afraid many of us saw this thrust of so called feminism as a danger to the confidence and capabilities of women and men in the future.

  • SteadyOn

    A very good piece. Feminists don’t seem to understand that everything they write robs women of agency – that they are in fact, creating a culture of victimhood in which women are made to feel oppressed.

    Modern feminist discourse has a sort of parallel with medieval catholic opposition to biblical translation: women are part of a framework of oppression which conditions their ability to see the world for what it is – those who disagree with feminism are deemed to be too conditioned to see the veracity of its arguments. Yet, there is a small band of high priests who are invested by the Holy Ghost of feminism and are able to see more clearly than their peers.

    Thus, doctrinal arguments as to who is and who isn’t a feminist predominate and language is tortured so as to create an intimidating and opaque linguistic framework that denies entry to those not fortunate enough to have a degree in gender studies.

    Tellingly, the hierarchical relationship between the arch-feminist priesthood and lesser female mortals represents a far bigger gap than that between men and women anywhere outside of the Muslim world.

    • Russell

      ‘Feminists don’t seem to understand that everything they write robs women of agency…’

      I disagree. Feminist are playing on the ‘men have agency; women don’t have agency’ myth to advance their agenda. It’s the same as ‘men act; women are acted upon’ to relieve women of any responsibility for their lot in life – so everything is men’s fault.

      It’s how feminists get laws like – drunk women aren’t responsible for sex but drunk men are. Also a host of other injustices and misandry against men and boys. It is quite deliberate.

      • You write what they say, what they do is in the quote. “It’s how feminists get laws like – drunk women aren’t responsible for sex but drunk men are.” By definition not being responsible for your own actions is a loss of agency.

        • Russell

          Just to clarify – I disagreed that feminists didn’t understand what they were doing as SteadOn put it. I claim that they do understand – but it just a subtefuge.

          It’s the same old feminist tactic we’ve always seen – As bax put it 100 years ago: feminists both ‘Political Feminism’ for equality with men when it suits them; and “Sentimental Feminism’ for previlges and superiority when it suits them.

  • Debs

    It’s to be hoped your nurturing can overcome the propaganda they are going to get once they get into the education system at age 11 and at University .
    What I found was try as I might other parents don’t always hold the same values as me and peer pressure is very great.

  • A Macasser

    You are a proper mother, with a heart connected to a functioning mind and will. Your daughters are very fortunate. As perhaps are those of a majority of non-graduate mothers, mothers outside University cities, mothers without televisions, and bible-based Christian mothers.

  • itdarestospeak

    Much as I agree with everything you’ve written above, it’s not really anyone’s daughters we need to worry about, it’s their sons.
    Your daughters may be influenced into becoming whiny peddlers of non-existent oppression, but they are not the ones who are branded as defective and broken humans by dint of the sex they were born, they won’t be the ones suffering under the baleful and malign regime of a feminist education system, they are not likely to have their education destroyed and lives wrecked by a false accusation of sexual impropriety by a feminist loon or vengeful ex-partner, they won’t be openly discriminated against in the distribution of bursaries and scholarships to address gender disparities in certain fields and they won’t be forced to bear collective guilt for all that’s wrong with the world.
    Feminism may not help women, but it doesn’t look to destroy them either.

    • redduster

      In my humble eyes, yours has to be the best comment so far.

      • itdarestospeak

        Thank you, although there are several regular commenters on CW whose eloquence and insight are at a higher level than I can normally aspire to

      • Colkitto03

        Hear hear

    • Mojo

      Never a truer word spoken. The infamous Milo talks about this in depth on one of his tours. You will find the videos under his name. The information given in his talk of the number of male teenage suicides, male deaths at work (because women do not choose to become miners, electricians, builders etc.) male poverty after divorce, is shocking and extremely upsetting. A female director made a film to be used in college campuses highlighting this terrible trend, but universities in Europe and USA declined to use it.

      • Colkitto03

        Absolutley,
        The documentry is called the ‘Red Pill’ directed by Cassie jaye

    • I love Julie Bindel

      Good comment.
      For the sons, there’s someone else…

    • Anglian Reed

      You are absolutely correct.

      However, the more young women (who will become the primary vectors) are brought up to be immune to the poison of the modern strain of feminism, the sooner it will be eradicated from the population, with benefits for all, including sons.

    • Michael Steane

      >Feminism may not help women, but it doesn’t look to destroy them either.

      It is an ideology. It looks to destroy anyone who is no use to it.

  • Nockian

    I like your piece Laura and even better your last performance on newsnight-spectacular, it had me shouting at the screen ‘go on stick it to them’.

    However, good as you piece is, I have to hand the prize to Mark Dice. Just show your daughters this-although the language is a bit blue in places:

    Take a look at this video on YouTube:

    https://youtu.be/7PL7qHs3OgU

    • PAD

      It’s not about competition.

      • Nockian

        Whatever gets the message across best is the most effective form of communication.

        • PAD

          Each audience will respond to what it hears and who is saying it.. is better served in language(delivery, nuance, modulation, accent) that it is familiar with.
          Though accents aren’t as important;someone like Geert Wilder resonates with English speakers because of his good diction and even tone..
          that’s all.
          Not to say your youTube guy is not important..just that Laura Perrin resonates here in UK where he may not…as much

  • Well said and good on you. I hope you succeed. Teach them to think critically and take ownership of their actions instead of finding someone else to blame for their failures (which, in the final analysis is what modern feminism and its cousin ‘social justice’ are for) and you should do fine.

  • Neil2

    “What do I tell my daughter? Do I tell that her grandpa is worth more than her grandma? That her dad is worth more than her mom? Do I tell her that despite her education, her drive, her skills, her intelligence, she will automatically be valued as less than every man she ever meets?”. Of course if they are members of a certain religion that feminists love that is absolutely true.

    • Russell

      It is said in Islam – ‘A women’s life is worth 10 times that of a man.’

  • Isca Stieglitz

    Ditto. I am now 50 and my daughter is 19. I can tell you it, (your approach), works. My daughter is independent of thought, savvy, kindhearted, empathic, cogent & doesn’t take any nonsense. I’m so proud of her.

    Your performance on QT was tour-de-force. Cogent, compassionate, class with gravitas. An excellent role-model for boys, girls…and grown-ups!

    • Little Black Censored

      Hear, hear, about the tv appearance!

  • Ravenscar

    Laura, a mother’s love and a father and mother to honour and to always cherish each other, along with a good education; history and STEM. To imbibe the acuity to see other people for what they are, to ignore all state propaganda and its filthy credo of secularist nihilism, unethical inequality. Always teach young girls to be ladies, for sensible, knowledgeable ladies can move mountains with just a slight nod, a demur glance but must they be made aware of their enormous power and hence to act in all conscience. That, should be enough.

    • DrNo

      “knowledgeable ladies can move mountains with just a slight nod”
      You mean
      “knowledgeable ladies can get men to move mountains for them with just a slight nod”

  • Neil Bradbury

    Laura, respect for your performance on QT the other week. Very refreshing!

  • Mike Buchanan

    Laura, good luck with your noble quest. My beloved eldest daughter (31) is very intelligent, yet reads The Guardian. Too depressing for words…

    • Partridge

      Give it time, Mike. Most people (not all) do generally tend to get a little wiser as they get older, with experience and observation of life. Which is perhaps why older people tended to vote ‘Leave’ in the EU referendum, while younger people, still under the influence of the education/indoctrination system, tended to vote ‘Remain’.

    • Mojo

      Oh how I sympathise. My daughter was a wonderful, feisty and opinionated young woman in her teens and early twenties. I was so proud of her. She read Portrait of a Marriage at 13 yrs old, reviewed it and asked some very interesting questions, but got told off by her teacher for reading something aimed at adults!!!! She debated her case extremely well. Fast forward to 30 yrs with her ILEX diploma to become a practising solicitor and everything went downhill. She too reads the Guardian, only ever watches BBC news and wants more immigration into this country because it is our moral duty!!!!! What went wrong….. I love her dearly and we are close. Although we have agreed never to discuss politics. A wise move for us but a truly sad one for her children.

      • Colkitto03

        I debate Politics with all my relatives. Several are left leaning, virtue signalers. Even one of my sisters. It happens to be the sister I’m closest to. We can disagree about almost anything but any bad feeling last about 10 seconds.
        Left leaning people develop echo chambers for a reason.

      • Labour_is_bunk

        “and wants more immigration into this country because it is our moral duty!!!!”

        I presume you’ve told her she wouldn’t be so dutiful if she had to live next door to them?

      • 178rod

        Better teach your grandchildren hunting skills 🙁

    • DrNo

      Cheer up Mike. The Guardian has resorted to desperately begging for people to give it money. There are only so many copies the BBC can buy. And more and more people are seeing the massive flaws in feminism for what they are.

      We are making slow but steady progress, and the steadier it is, the more irreversible it will be. Could a website like TCW have existed even 10 years ago?

      • 178rod

        Have we all signed the government .uk scrap BBC licence petition yet?
        This was the fastest growing petition for all of last week

        https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/170931

        Unlike the ‘ban Trump petition’ it’s not just people from Cambridge and Oxford signing it 😉 (they have voting maps under the link)

    • log

      Introduce her to Camile Paglia, that is a feminist even you might like Mike. She recognises the role of history and biology and disagrees profoundly with the nasty, anti male, anti family ideology that feminism has degraded into. See her you tube interview on feminisms role in the destruction of western civilisation.

      • Absolutely! She also believes that the only way to save the arts is through capitalism. She’s a bit strange, in some ways, but she gets a lot of stuff right.

    • Colkitto03

      She will change Mike.
      My 19 year old daughter is an ardent anti feminist. My 23 year old son is the same. All their friends follow the same pattern.
      I swear that this was not because of my influence. In fact it was the pair of them that taught me the term ‘red pill’ Ive learned more from them than you would imagine.
      Young men and women today are much more switched on than the media likes to credit,

    • Rob

      surely Mike you worry too much?

      I read the guardian, I just assume the opposite of whatever they say.

      maybe your daughter reads it to study the “enemy” ?

  • African_Sunset

    With the greatest respect to you Laura, your well-meaning intentions could have the opposite effect. A lot of independent minded people, including adolescents, don’t like being told what to think, do or say. Young men and women need to be allowed to form their own views on issues such as feminism. If you start imposing anti-feminism perspectives upon them – it could result in your girls adopting a contrarian position just to show you that they are not going to conform to your view because you say so. Your daughters may grow up to be sympathetic to feminist orthodoxy – that is something you will have to accept whether you like it or not. Instead, I would urge you to let them figure things out for themselves and over time the truth will reveal itself to them.

    • Alaric the Vis

      Appreciate your point. I’ve brought my two up to take responsibility for their actions, not moan and do their best. They’re now adults and I haven’t heard any victim claptrap from either of them.

    • Colonel Mustard

      “A lot of independent minded people, including adolescents, don’t like being told what to think, do or say”

      You would never guess that from the way the government, parliament, the public sector, the so-called third sector and the whole unelected left-wing peddled Political Correctness thing operates.

      Are young men and women really being “allowed to form their own views” in our schools and universities? Great if they are but the evidence seems to suggest otherwise. What explains the hysteria in the reaction to Brexit and Trump?

    • Rob

      “Young men and women need to be allowed to form their own views on issues such as feminism.”

      —————————————

      But the point is, that they are not being allowed to form their own views, from state to private, from parent to activists. Too many actors in this area.

      At the very least Laura is trying to counteract this behavior. When you are subjected to a poison, you don’t wait for your body to fight it, you introduce an antidote.

      when its a level playing field, then your point will be valid and ideal.

  • Tom B

    How about telling your daughter that Audi has 6 men listed as the board of management so obviously not practicing what they are preaching .

  • Mojo

    A very good article again Laura. I actually never discussed feminism with my daughter. We debated many things and I always gave her free reign to all my books because I felt it was her right to read and ask questions. When she asked me about Germaine Greer, I was honest with her and explained I did not believe in feminism but I did believe in women. I did not agree with Ms greer’s views and I gave my reasons why. They actually align with yours and indeed M i l o, of the D. Faggots tour. I also gave her the Female Eunoch to read so she could form her own opinions.

    Alas once she became involved in the law and attained her degree/diploma her views started to change. She is probably now the most socialist member of our family and can be quite strident in her views. We have agreed (the whole family) not to discuss politics as a family because tempers do get frayed!!!!!! Her opinions are of course, to be respected and I constantly remind myself that we gave her the tools to form her own ideas and forge her own path in the world. We always told her that she could achieve anything she wanted without once mentioning her gender. She has indeed achieved many things including an extremely happy marriage and two beautiful children. But I do wonder if she had stayed away from such a left wing institution as the Law whether her opinions wouldn’t be quite so liberal. However, parenting is tough and throws up many conundrums.

    • Laura Perrins

      Dear Mojo,
      Traditionally lawyers were very conservative, but that has changed a lot now. But overall you have hit the jackpot if your daughter is ‘in an extremely happy marriage and two beautiful children.’

      She will probably mellow over the years. I assume she works though – so it is a wonder she does not notice how much she pays in tax. I guess she is happy with that?

      • Tethys

        So it’s now ok to indoctrinate people about taxation but not even basic equal rights??
        Hmmm ’tis a strange world you inhabit.
        Bravo to the lady who encouraged her daughter to make her own mind up – good parenting even though on hindsight she appears to regret it.

        • Ridcully

          Indoctrinating how, exactly?

        • Mojo

          I didn’t mean to convey regret in teaching my daughter to think for herself. I certainly don’t. I tried to convey that I as her parent am also learning to respect her choices as my whole ethos of parenting was to encourage my children to stand on their own two feet, make their decisions, choices and indeed inform themselves and not follow the crowd. I am indeed proud of her. ???

      • Mojo

        Laura, I have tried to reply to you but am being moderated. I do not know why as I have just tried to answer your point. Thank you for your comments.

        I believe you may well be right in that she will will change as she gets older. My first grandchild has just started school and my youngest goes next year. My daughter is not going back to the law due to her love of gardening. She is taking a horticultural correspondence course and hopes to work locally. It will be more fulfilling I think. And in the strange twists of life, those values she instills in her own children will be shown as those her parents instilled in her!!!!

      • Mojo

        Conservative Woman.
        Laura, I have tried to reply to you but am being moderated. I do not know why as I have just tried to answer your point. Thank you for your comments.

        I believe you may well be right in that she will will change as she gets older. My first grandchild has just started school and my youngest goes next year. My daughter is not going back to the law due to her love of gardening. She is taking a horticultural correspondence course and hopes to work locally. It will be more fulfilling I think. And in the strange twists of life, those values she instills in her own children will be shown as those her parents instilled in her

    • Jethro Asquith

      I am interested to learn whether your daughters gender (that was never mentioned) was masculine or feminine… or did you mean to use the word sex?

      • Mojo

        Well Jethro, her gender is obviously feminine. So I don’t always get this splitting of hairs. We never told her she could or could not do something because she was female. We spoke to her as a member of the human race. I.e. head for the Moon and you will probably get there. We believed that giving our children the confidence to make their own decisions would take them a lot further than a degree in media studies. Have a great weekend

  • Andy

    My ex wife became a feminist during a protracted conversion in the 1970’s, by the end of that decade it appeared men were the evil oppressors, was it something I said? I’m following your articles with interest.

  • Terry Howard

    So you’ll control what your daughters think. Best of luck with that! Lol!

    • getahead

      As long as it’s not that Harriet person.

  • log

    My daughters aged 13 and 16 already see feminism for the poison it is… The prevailing attitude at school among some ludicrous young girls is that men should be elimated! To which my 16 year old replies then you can’t be a feminist as they believe in equality and rightly labels them feminazi fascists.
    Youngest has just come back from the obligatory Ypres school trip. She noticed that there were no women’s names on the graves and laughs at the very idea that women are oppressed!

    • Colkitto03

      Your daughters are growing up as egalitarians, well done.They will join the vast majority of women who quite naturally care and love for everyone, regardless of gender.
      Unlike a few on this blog I have huge faith in the inherent fairness of women. The biggest crime of feminism is the destruction of trust of those who buy into it. Its inhuman.
      Ive been to Ypres several times and i always think of those lines ‘lest we forget’

  • Benthic

    When I see Western women putting on a hijab and say its liberating then sadly I see we are living in the decline of the West.

    • Rob

      Funny thing my wife ( an eastern woman) would be the opposite every time she had to put on the hijab(to satisfy the religious laws), she hated it.

      I don’t think they find it liberating( even though they say the words) it just hides them from the world( even its draw attention to them) and after a while they will find it stifling( as most muslim women do)

      • Benthic

        I dont know if you saw some of the videos of the recent Trimp demonstrations.

        Have a look at some of the not too bright American women saying wearing a hijab and Sharia law was liberating?

        • Rob

          Yes I saw the video( much ignorance going on there)

          I can speak from personal experience with sharia law( wife was a lawyer in sharia and civil law). It has never been liberating for women or men. But i can see why some western women think this way.

          Because as many people would like to claim that sharia is uniquely terrible to women it isn’t. Its terrible to both. there are muslim women rights groups campaigning for major reform.

          Much of what we know is terrible is taken from extremes such as Saudia Arabia or the sham sharia counsels in the UK. Sharia courts hit men even harder than they do in the west. I used to live in Qatar and the divorce rate there skyrocketed in recent years far worse than the west because of the unrealistic expectations of wives and the very very favorable terms for women. they get assets( but all their own are not treated as part of marriage), automatic sole custody of children and maintenance.

          Its the reason why my wife dragged me through the sharia court rather than risk being charged in the UK with child abuse and DV.

          the one thing that has been pointed out to me though about the hijab is that it is not a religious requirement and has never been so. Its a gulf arab cultural item that predates islam. that information came from my wife( who was also a scholar) and her late grandfather who was an ulama.

          But as you said some of the American women are not too bright. Critical thinking is in short supply.

          • Benthic

            My experience of Sharia was seeing two women being beaten with sticks by the Mutaween in a shopping mall in Saudi Arabia.

            Islam is a medieval death cult which is incompatible with the West.

          • Rob

            ah the vice and virtue squad of KSA, home of the ignorant and stupid.

            My first experience of the horrors of KSA was being told about the school of girls who burnt to death because the Mutaween locked the gates and wouldn’t let them out because they were not properly dressed.
            many, many muslims hate the Saudis, I listen to it for years in the middle and far east. There is a saying among Muslims.

            why did the Saudis get the Quran? because they were ( and still are) the most blood thirsty race on the planet and in dire need of religion to control them..

            nothing changed though.

          • Shrek6

            Women covering their heads/hair has been a religious requirement for thousands of years. It was indeed a requirement in the Catholic Church from its beginnings. According to St. Paul, women should cover up before entering the Church or Temple and not speak. Men had to remove any head gear and then remain quiet also.

            The requirement for women in the Catholic Church in its beginnings to wear head dress was very strict, yet we see today in the Freemason run Novus Ordo False Catholic Church in Rome, there is no requirement for women to wear head dress. Much has changed!

            Muslims did indeed copy many other practices from other religions that were already in existence prior to the birth of their religious sect.

  • John P Hughes

    The Guardian could be relied on for sound news reporting 40-50 years ago, but not now. So many of its ‘news’ stories are tilted, from headlines through to omission of key facts. Someone who now only read the Guardian is not going to receive reliable news.
    Recommended is ‘The Week’. It contains the best and most interesting extracts from the press , not only British and American, but papers around the world. The letters selected are often set out to show opposite views on a topical issue. ‘The Week’ extracts enough from the Guardian to get the message that it puts out, and allows readers to balance that against what is said in other papers.

    • Rob

      thank you for that, Wasn’t aware of such a source

  • Rob

    I had the idea that Feminists tended to be more “pussy-cat” types than dog lovers. If so, then the following needs altering slightly: “When feminists hear an idea that clashes with their world-view, they run to their safe space clinging to their teddy and stroking their puppy.” Sorry for my obvious vulgarity, but in my defence, it’s only harmless smutty locker-room talk that boys of all ages have always liked to chuckle at!
    On a more “serious” note Laura, where do you stand on the GGG (Great Gay God) Milo dilemma: what’s least preferable for your daughters (and sons): Cancer or Feminism?

  • Paul Williams

    Feminism has nothing to do with the ’empowerment’ of women. It’s real aim is to eviscerate white men. It’s simple really – if feminism had any truck with the rights of women, its movement would be utterly opposed to Westerm Islamisation. Instead, it is the evil white monster on the board of a FTSE 100 company.

  • JohnInCambridge

    I can’t be bothered to look it up but my recollection of the famous wimmin who put the femshow on the road is that they had really cloying relationships with their fathers. Since this made them incapable of fully relating to other men they then had to justify their creepy daddy’s-girl lifestyles with any number of BS theories. What is fundamentally an inability to grow up has by now ramified into mass psychosis. Of course, this is ultimately an evolutionary cul-de-sac. Contraception and abortion enabling indefinite postponement of breeding as well as the mental poison alluded to above erode the fertility of Western populations. Darwin’s ‘survival of the fittest’ implies the ability to reproduce. The numerous “successful” women who postpone pregnancy until their thirties or forties often discover that nature has its own definitions of success and childlessness is not one of them.

  • SpaghettiMonster

    Never fear, Laura. My eldest is 14 and she sees it exactly for the nonsense it is. The key, I believe, is that she has a strong and accepting relationship with me as her father – a father who believes in her, loves her unconditionally, and tells her she can have a career, or children, or some combination, and has told her since early on that everything in life brings opportunity costs and sacrifices as well as benefits and rewards. Kids who understand market forces – that shops sell sweets because they can make money doing it, and shops selling sweets is good for shops and good for the eaters of sweets – can deal with reality and don’t have utopian ideals of “fairness”.

  • Charleston

    Excellent Laura, I’m glad your daughters will be able to appreciate how lucky they are. And they won’t become those whining brats who demand careers and extended education and other privileges that are essentially wasted on those who want to be mothers. The great thing about you Laura is that you’re big enough and ugly enough to own the fact that your own two degrees were waste of taxpayers money now you’ve settled down to childrearing.

  • Rob

    thank you Laura for making this point.

    Unfortunately I think many young daughters( including my own) will fall prey to this ideology when they lose their fathers, for multiple reasons including the indoctrination by their alienating parent who use children as weapons of choice.

    I wouldn’t be surprised( even If I can’t prove it) that the increase in people taking up this poison goes hand in hand with their fatherless status.

  • Kevin T

    Identity politics is a cult, the modern day equivalent of fundamentalist religion, used for the same purpose, to control the population through divide and rule. What proportion of Britain is either female, gay, black, Muslim, or in another “victimised” group? Surely at least 75%, all of whom are told by identity politics that they are oppressed by the rest of the country and that only a big state, run by the left of course, can protect them. It’s laughable but so many are taken in by it.

  • Shrek6

    Laura, what a wonderful gift you intend on giving to your daughters. They will surely thank you one day for going against the herd.

    So do your daughters have a father?
    Maybe you could ensure that they spend as much time with him as they do with you and you could ensure that he has all the say and authority that he should have as a father, in his relationship with them. That Laura, would be an even bigger gift to your daughters!

    You said: “Who in their right mind judges anybody by their pay-cheque?”

    Unfortunately, this is not a feminist trait. This is a female trait and it is highly possible you did exactly that when you were on the hunt for a man to have children with. This behaviour is called ‘Hypergamy’ and is one of the many facets of ‘Gynocentrism.’

    It would behove you learn as much as you can about both Gynocentrism and Hypergamy, then teach your girls to never commit these sins today, because in truth they are both the concept of slavery and are abusive to all men.

    Almost all women will do all they can to find out how much money a man they are interested in earns each week. If he earns little, especially less than she does, the chances of them having a relationship falls to somewhere below zero.

    Most women, and this would be well over 95%, will always look for a man who earns more than they do or has the ability to do so. The majority will never settle for a man with less financial means than they, because they deem that man as worthless and a non-prospect for marriage and children.

    So Laura, how about you be 100% totally honest, sincere and honourable with your daughters.

    Let their father have as much input as you.
    Teach your daughters that the men who earn the same or even less than them, are probably a better quality of man, because almost all of these men (bar a small %) are hardworking ‘Alpha Males’ and are the ones who keep this world turning. They will be the most appropriate to raise wonderful and well adjusted children with, because these men have their feet firmly placed on the ground and are not materialistic.

    Remember, Alpha males are not those one with lots of money, powerful rich jobs or high political positions. Most of the above men are either born into riches or are simply show ponies. The real Alpha males and the ones who build and maintain this world. They are the most powerful men and the most honourable men!

    Yes there are many good men who earn a lot of money, but if you and any other woman has an ounce of common decency within you, you would know and believe exactly what you preach. And if you do, then the number of good men for you or your daughters to marry, are far greater within or below their peer group.

    All men are good, regardless of how much money they earn. We just need females to willingly get off of the pedestal they are sitting on and to hand back that privilege they have over all men, then start behaving in an adult and proper manner, so that we can see some semblance of true equality become the norm, instead of this female centred lopsided and sexist society we live in today.

    Be the heroine for your daughters and go all the way Laura. You will be well remembered for it if you do!

  • Aberdeenian

    Feminism is just another example of groupthink or, put it another way, no think!