The news is that the Brexit divorce bill could cost the British taxpayer up to 50billion euros.

Theresa May has once again displayed her impeccable qualities as the leader of our time – which tells you all you need to know about ‘our time’.

May’s tactic seems to be to tell the EU to take all our money. It reminded me of this clip from the US TV series 30 Rock, when the great Chief Executive and MBA holder Jack Donaghy negotiates with his nanny.

Do not assume the Chief Executive wins.

If only this Brexit negotiation were a TV show. Sadly, this is our current reality – risk-averse May giving away the farm.

95 COMMENTS

  1. If it’s just half the eventual cost of the white elephant HS2.
    Let’s cancel it as we leave and ‘have our cake and eat it’.

    • It’d also be nice if the Tories stuck to Cameron’s pledge to abolish quangoes which are costing us millions if not billions every year. Who needs to be told by PHE that we shouldn’t use a BBQ indoors?
      We’d be rolling in cash if our politicians weren’t so gutless.

  2. On the subject of ‘our money’. We don’t have any money. We have a 1.7 trillion pound national debt. We pay £3.5 billion every month in interest.
    BUT if it means getting out of the EU then lets give them the £11 billion international aid budget for the next four years. Our EU contributions are in effect a massive foreign donation. What would be the problem?

  3. “All our money”. Never a truer word…
    Can we really imagine that the EU mafia will stop their extortion at £50billion? That 50 is just the “no strings attached” price for the EU to allow Britain to sit at the negotiating table. They will come back time and time again to dip in to fund their empire.
    I would imagine a scenario whereby for the UK to have control over their fishing waters the EU will demand an additional payment; to examine the Irish border…another £50 billion.
    We are dealing badly with these EU bandits by capitulating. Labour has the ‘red flag” as their standard, do the Tories have a white flag as theirs? Any true Conservative must be absolutely appalled by May. She needs deposing before Christmas and someone like Preeti Patel installing instead.

    • If we pay this Corbyn will win by a landslide.
      I thought it was impossible to be worse than Cameron.
      I was wrong.

      • Why will Corbyn win by a landslide? Do you really think that Brexiteers, who know Labour’s real position on Brexit, will jump ship from HMS Tory to Britannia Republic hoping the Marxists will lead us out of the EU in a glorious tide of national vigour? There’s no chance of that.
        If the Tories are hokey cokey on Brexit, Labour are the jump around party – they have no idea what their Brexit policy is from one day to the next.
        Only UKIP can truly deliver on Brexit. People just need to be brave enough to take that leap.

        • I dearly wish you were right.
          But we are stuck with Labour, or Conservative.

          If you want a political career you join one or the other.
          That is why we get wasters in the Conservative party.

          If they pay the £40bn, they will have proved themselves unfit to govern Anglesey, or the Isle of Wight, never mind the UK.

        • I’ll be voting for UKIP. There’s no guarantee everyone else will, hence the chance of a Corbyn government. At least a fool is right some of the time, but a traitor…? If the Tories don’t deliver, they are not getting my vote, come what may. Fiat justitia ruat cælum.

        • Just the other day, I read an intriguing comment from a Conservative voting Brexiteer. They stated they would vote for Corbyn because the remainers needed a history lesson on why a Conservative government under Mrs Thatcher was necessary.
          We had inner city riots back then. It will be like the apocalypse if there is a run on Sterling and certain ‘ vibrant, skilled scientists and engineers’ don’t get their benefits.

    • Like the idea of Priti Patel.
      The East African, Voucher, Asian immigrants mostly acclimatised easily.
      They were immigrants already, and faced death staying where they were.
      True immigrants.
      In her case now a True Brit.

    • A leaver, on Victoria Derbyshire the other day, who happens to be a retired police officer, stated that ‘the problem with ransoms is that they are never just the one.’ What’s to stop the EU demanding more down the line and what’s to stop our overly generous PM giving in again?

    • Danegeld. “And we’ve proved it again and again, that once you’ve paid the Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane”. (Kipling, of course).

  4. The Tories were bound to enter the great British giveaway to the EU. They have a weak leader, a weak cabinet and a majority who really couldn’t give a toss whether we leave the EU or not.
    The last election also proved that much of our population are gullible suckers. They were encouraged to believe that if they didn’t vote Conservative, the Marxists would get in. Many abandoned their beliefs and voted for one of the 2 parties on offer. Idiots. The media won, the people lost out.
    So, for all those who voted Conservative based on either keeping the Corbynistas out or having a party who would get us out of the EU, more the fool you. Theresa May and her cabinet do not keep their promises, they do not believe in Brexit and they will capitulate on everything. If many of the true Brexiteers had voted UKIP, we’d have been out of this ridiculous union by now. As it is, the great British giveaway continues.

    • Sadly, I must agree with you. I was one of the ‘fools’ who voted for TM in the mistaken belief that she meant what she said in her Lancaster Houe speech. at least, come 2022, I now know who I won’t be voting for, Corbyn or no. What a sad ending to what could have been a wonderful future. Well done, Theresa, you can rest easy in the knowledge that you’ve brought about the worst of all possible worlds for the people of this country. Was that the plan all along? Hmm…what’s that expression for someone doing the dirty work on behalf of unseen greater powers? Cat’s paw, is it?

      • ” I was one of the ‘fools’ …” Pleased to meet you, I was the other fool. After nearly 50 voting years, I wont be voting for the Conservatives again.

        • Another fool here. It was the first time I voted Conservative and will of course be the last. I would have voted UKIP, but under Nutall, as under the new guy, it had become lame and was going nowhere. What will I do at the next election? Probably stay at home and not worry about politics.

          • I’ve done that, especially in our general elections, the primaries, not so much. Where I live that is the only place that I might have a real choice. If I understand that’s something that you don’t have. No real opinion from me, we have to do what seems right to us individually, but usually the least bad is my choice, which of course, is why I voted for Trump – sometimes you get a good surprise, as well.

      • “what’s that expression for someone doing the dirty work on behalf of unseen greater powers”
        It’s “traitor”.

    • The Tories conned us into the EU and it has made them wealthy. They are never going to get us out.
      Even alleged patriots like JRM still supported everything CCHQ told him to vote for.
      Traitors every last one of them.

      • Indeed. Rees-Mogg needs to stop being so bloody loyal to his PM and remember why he, amongst many, decided to vote to leave in the first place. His leader is reigning back on everything she promised and, slowly and surely, her party will concede more and more to the EU, while Rees-Mogg sits on the backbenches, silently, letting her get on with it.
        I have always admired JRM as a man of principle. He needs to retain his principles and begin to voice concern over what his party is doing. Otherwise, we’ll find ourselves more intertwined with the EU than any of us expected.

    • The last election was a case of heads we win, tails you lose. It’s a good job things ended up as they did or May would have taken it as a full-scale endorsement of herself and any crackpot authoritarian scheme she could cook up, together with Leave-lite or some other compromise.

    • Who was I supposed to vote for then? In my constituency there was a choice between a Brexiteer Conservative, a virtue-signalling, pro-second referendum Labour bint and Tweedledum and Tweedledee, AKA the Lib Dems and Greens. Mr Nuttal and co thoughtfully deciding not to field a candidate.

      • I tend not to vote for parties, I vote for policies. It may sound a little naive but, the way I see it, I have principles and I will not vote for a party/candidate who I don’t trust to follow through and whose policies I can’t abide with.
        If UKIP had not fielded a candidate in my constituency, I’d have had a look at Independent candidates. If none of them spoke for me, I’d abstain.
        As I’ve said in previous posts, vote for the candidate who speaks for you. Tactical voting betrays everything democracy stands for.

      • The same question arises with TM as with HRClinton, what motivates them apart from power for its own sake?
        Both of them leave you unable to guess where their loyalties lie, except towards the countries they pretend to represent.

      • I’m sorry for beating about the bush. I hesitated to say what I really think of her because I knew it would not get past the moderator.

  5. Two British Prime Ministers will go down in history as having served their country extremely badly:
    Traitor Heath and Appeaser May.

    • Only two? How little you know your history!

      Lord North probably takes the title as the worst PM, and Chamberlain has to come a close second, not for his total lack of spine and courage against Adolf Hitlers Nazis, but for betraying the people who were likely to assassinate him to their deaths.

      May however will certainly have earned her place amongst the worst leaders this country has ever had. How telling it is that the list of these failures is drawn in very large measure from the Post war set.

      • At least in the case of Chamberlain we had Churchill waiting in the wings. I can’t see anyone of that calibre waiting now.

        • Churchill wasn’t well regarded at the time, his appalling screw up at Gallipoli cost many thousands their lives and achieved nothing. His arming of merchant vessels in WWI led to submarine captains sinking ships instead of allowing crews time to escape.
          As a wartime leader he was a great front man but a dreadful military strategist. He almost lost us the desert war against Rommel, and wrongly believed an attack in the Northern Med was a ‘soft underbelly’ again costing many thousands of lives.
          He vehemently opposed the D Day landings to the point that the Russians and Americans told him they would go ahead without him if he didn’t agree, and in doing this he lost all respect and credibility in the eyes of foreign powers, diminishing Britains future world position as a result.

          Post war the people at home thought he was marvellous, and voted for him, but the troops who had seen the effects of his poor judgement voted against him in such huge number he lost the election.

          No doubt controversial but it is unfortunately true.

          • WSC ordering Auckinleck to halt the advance to on Tripoli and send a desert army to fight in the mountains of Greece allowed Rommel to land and prolong the war in North Africa for two years. This starved Singapore of modern fighter aircraft which lost us Malaya and Burma.
            WSC was just like Hitler in his disastrous micro-managing warfare.

          • It was Wavell, not the Auk, but otherwise you are correct. The Greeks didn’t even want our help for fear it would bring the Germans into their conflict much more rapidly.

          • Thank you. Writing on the hoof I couldn’t recall if WSC had yet sacked Wavell.
            It was WSC’s crass error in Greece that he blamed on Wavell to sack him.

    • How about Cameron for managing to pluck a coalition government from a likely majority and also not having enough spine to face down ukip, instead granting the referendum which now has us in this mess?

  6. Oh Laura, you haven’t even been reading the posts on your own website let alone the reports in the more respected press.

    “The news is that the Brexit divorce bill could cost the British taxpayer up to 50billion euros.”

    No Laura, the truth is that May HOPES the Brexit bill will be as ‘little as’ 50 Billion but she has agreed to an astonishing 100 Billion Euros !

    https://www.ft.com/content/cabf22e2-d462-11e7-8c9a-d9c0a5c8d5c9

    You have been deceived by the political spin of ‘hopes to’ rather than the facts, and those facts are far worse than the government want you to know.

    At 50 Billion May’s spin doctors can present this as something of a compromise, whereas at 100 billion it is total capitulation.

    Don’t publish pieces which allow her to get away with that, and show the world just what a hopeless negotiator this woman really is.

  7. Let’s remember that the £50 billion is just the fee we pay in order to start talking about how much more we pay on top of that, in return for something we don’t want.

    And who says May is an idiot???

    • Me.
      Does she know what she is paying for?
      Unless we assume she is a complete idiot.
      Which is very likely , on her record ,to be the case.

    • You know this is what I think also. She is going to end up pleasing no-one. She could become an absolute hero to half the country.

      • The way she looks from here, and I thought her the best on offer, is like a bureaucrat, so afraid of doing something wrong that she will do nothing. But she has the job when a leader is needed, I have little liking for Boris, but he would undoubtedly be better, as would most anyone else, particularly from the private sector. One must be able to see opportunities as well as problems, I think she only see problems.

  8. Theresa (Dane-Geld) May is one of the worst appeasers of modern times I can think of. She, and her band of surrender monkeys, have betrayed this country, and its taxpayers in particular, big time. Instead of focusing on her ghastly ineptitude in negotiations, she makes a fuss about Donald Trumps tweets. Right. Its a pity we don’t still use the Tower of London. There’s a nice little gate leading to it from the river that’s just right for her.

    • I like the idea of locking up politicians in the Tower. At the time of the South Sea Bubbles when the government got involved, when it all went wrong the Chancellor of the Exchequer was locked in the tower.
      That is where Osborne should have gone for all his lies and mishandling of the economy.

      • It would be fun for the school parties, too, to be able to witness real executions in the flesh rather than having to imagine what they were like. No doubt some parents would object to their delicate little treasures seeing such things, but I can well remember what a cracking time we bloodthirsty little eight year olds had on our visit to the Tower, and how we couldn’t get enough of the axes, scold’s bridles, rack etc.

        They’d love it, the lucky little sods.

  9. I still believe that it is the UK who should be demanding money from the EU for a trade deal. They have far more to lose than us if there isn’t one. It’s crazy paying the EU for something that they desperately want and which we can manage without.

    Whilst those in Brussels are prepared to “punish” Britain, politicians in the various EU countries are steadily beginning to realise what it will actually mean to their countries if Brussels succeeds. Possible loss of not only the UK markets when we can buy from elsewhere, as well as the loss of tourists who might feel unwanted and go further afield at little extra cost.

    We should increase our preparations for the ‘no deal’ situation making them public knowledge. This would make the EU realise we are serious.

      • Because they refuse to look outside the London bubble. I truly think she is being told by her unelected advisers that she is popular.

      • Our negotiators are all politicians dependent on her for their jobs, or they are Remoaner civil servants. Should have been left to Lord Owen, Gove, Farage, Gisela Stuart, Tim Martin, James Dyson and Bamford. Then Bobs your uncle. All done months ago.

  10. Having lost a good MP (Con) at the last election called by May I now write to “her” via the No10 website. I requested her resignation yesterday saying that she has betrayed the nation by increasing her offer above the €20b announced in Florence. All contributors to TCW are free to do the same – problem is what is the alternative?!

  11. Perhaps the time has come for every Conservative Party member who is dissatisfied with May and her ongoing betrayal to resign their membership. I can think of nothing else as an immediate form of action that is likely to cause a pause for thought at CCHQ. Perhaps a drastic reduction of numbers of members will bring about a change of leadership and direction regarding Brexit and the EU.

    • Completely wrong, Tory party membership is on it’s last legs anyway. Learn from Corbyn. If you want your agenda to dominate, you need a large influx of new members who share that agenda. You need many more members not less.

      • What is left of the membership is completely irrelevant, you could quadruple the membership numbers and the direction of the party will not change with May as leader. To compare Conservative Party membership to Corbyn and Momentum is somewhat wide of the mark.

        • He has a point that you clarified. the Tories need something like Momentum to attempt to force change. Here it is a quite loud and very noisy base through many outlets, we’re conservatives, we disagree a lot, but were at least in the same chapter of the hymnal, and the GOPe (as we call the Washington party in polite company) is learning to fear us, and the lesson is going to be reinforced going forward. Nobody is going to do it for you, they are, almost to a person, too worried about their rice bowls, to even consider whether something is right or wrong, only in how it pays them and their friends. Well the minimum wage, even for Congresscritters is still $0, and some may find this fact out going forward.

  12. I have been checking out Common Purpose over the last few days.Some references have been made to David Cameron and Theresa May as being Common Purpose members, which seems counter intuitive as Common Purpose is Tony Blair’s organisation.
    It seems that the reason that we will never get Brexit, except in name only, is Tony Blair and his Organisation ‘Common Purpose’.

    In 1989 Julia Middleton set up Common Purpose and shortly after that Julia Middleton was working in 10 Downing St, for John Prescott, Deputy Prime Minister.

    Julia Middleton was John Prescott’s ‘Head of Personnel Selection’.

    Tony Blair knew that all good things come to an end, and that one day he would no longer be Prime Minister, but still wanted to maintain his control over the UK.

    The civil service obviously has tremendous influence on how any UK Government works, and can be regarded as an alternative Government. I will be looking online for direct links for connections between Julia Middleton and Tony Blair, but as now I believe that Tony Blair saw a way of controlling the Civil Service through Julia Middleton and Common Purpose as a method of setting up Blair’s alternative Government.

    The reason that I believe this is that by 2008 the number of Common Purpose members holding Government jobs had exploded.

    Although it has 80,000 trainees in 36 cities, 30,000 graduate members and enormous power, Common Purpose (CP) is largely unknown to the general public. It operates in almost all areas of UK society (as well as other countries around the world)

    Common Purpose has members in the NHS, BBC, the police, Parliament, the Church (including Bishops) the legal profession, many of Britains 7,000 quangos, local councils, the Civil Service, various levels of government, ministries, many RDAs (Regional Development Agencies), the armed services and also schools and universities.

    Obviously today, Thursday 30 Nov 2017, the numbers of Common Purpose members inserted at all levels of UK Govt must be way beyond the 2008 figures. It is very hard to work out how many Common Purpose trainees and Graduates there are now, because Common Purpose is now a Global Organisation.

    Common Purpose encourages leaders to work ‘beyond authority’ and to lead outside of their designated areas, thus subverting the democratic process.

    Crucially for people who want Brexit:-

    Charities are not allowed to have a political agenda, yet Common Purpose is strongly EU – it has even sent schoolchildren from the UK to Brussels. This is illegal. Common Purpose involves networking and achieving the common aims of its members, and so with members in these positions of power.

    The names of members are not disclosed. It charges substantial figures for its courses. “Matrix” for example, costs £3,950 plus VAT, and courses for the high flying ‘leader’ can be as much as £5,950 plus VAT

      • Many thanks for letting me know what ‘deep state’ means. I have seen the expression many times before but did not understand it. Now I do.

        • Your description of Common Purpose’s tactics, and strategy, shows that it is just a modern version of Fabianism. As an undergraduate in the early ’80s I had a tutor who always talked about the Fabians in the most glowing terms, to the extent that I began to wonder if I was wrong about how Parliamentary, democratic politics was supposed to work. I know now that it was my learned tutor who was wrong.

  13. Not to dwell in the past, but I wonder what a true leader like Margaret Thatcher would have made of those effete aristocrats in Brussels, who daily presume to dictate to sovereign nations.

    Would she have trembled in front of their assumed authority?
    Or would she have fought to the death rather than give up a single penny?

      • That’s revisionist reputation polishing. It’s not why he was doing it at the time. And the reason we’d have lost is that he and Baldwin before him refused to face facts.

        • Balderdash. The radar wasn’t working, Neither the Spitfire nor the Hurricane were much more than prototypes, the army was in atrocious shape, and the navy wasn’t much better. In 37 the money needed couldn’t have been sold to Parliament. They can face all the facts they saw, and they did. Even in 39 you damned near lost, and you couldn’t win, until Russia and the US came in. Churchill was a great man, but he wasn’t the greatest historian especially when writing about himself, more of a propagandist really. He had almost no support at the time of Munich.

          What should have happened was taking Hitler out when he remilitarized the Rhineland, in 1934, but nobody, not you, not the Frogs, and not the US had the will to do it. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind applies to the whole mess.

          Face the fact, at the time of Munich your people were at roughly the place ours were at the time of Argentia Bay, thinking that something should be done, but not willing to do what was necessary.

          • That seems about right, politicians always go the way of water, it’s probably what runs through their cowardly veins, appease, obfuscate, lie. Our next fight is the biggest we have ever faced, and it looks almost certainly like it will obliterate us. It is a nettle too poisonous and too painful to grasp. So fearful are they, that they will not speak its name, but they will not allow braver souls to take up the mantle of warrior, rather than allow the courage and resolve of lower mortals, they silence them and incarcerate them. They are traitors.

  14. There is no cost to leave the EU, as Barnier has said. There is no ‘Brexit bill’, no ‘divorce bill’.

    These terms are introduced to obscure the fact that this sum of money is the agreed payment that Britain makes for all that is involved in her membership of the EU. It is the cost to remain in the current relationship, not leave. This is what the public might realise, that the payment isn’t caused by leaving.

    So to throw dust in the public’s eyes, remainers and the media have to insinuate that the money is for leaving. The moronic Metro free ‘news’paper for 30th November said the £50 billion could pay for the recruiting of 2,511,426 nurse in England and Wales. Well yes it could, if this money hadn’t been promised to the EU already.

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