MARK Steyn interviewed the scientist and TCW writer Guy Hatchard on Wednesday on his regular evening GB News programme. I watched it closely for two reasons. First because New Zealander Dr Hatchard, the impressive policy analyst, is one of our regular ‘Covid’ contributors. Second because the programme promo pledged to delve into a subject that even GB News gets nervous about. Steyn went where media angels normally fear to tread. He dived straight into the world of ‘Covid’ reality versus the politics of it – the machinations, manipulations and the way Big Pharma interests are plugged into countries’ health regulators. It didn’t disappoint, which is why, as well as linking to the interview, we are publishing an edited transcript of it.
STEYN: Have you had your fourth booster yet? You know what they say, ‘Sure, you’ll still get the Covid, but don’t worry, it’ll be much milder, you won’t be going into the ICU.’ There doesn’t seem to be a lot of science behind that assertion, and there’s mounting evidence to the contrary. A Polish study has found that mRNA vaccines may be damaging brain cells and immune systems. Meanwhile, a German study of all-cause mortality has found that since the vaccinations got going, young and middle-aged persons are dying in larger numbers. Dr Guy Hatchard has been writing about this at The Conservative Woman website for some time, and he joins us now from New Zealand. Guy, the big takeaway from this, which I think is quite extraordinary, is that in 2020, when the Covid started raging, it didn’t actually cause excess mortality that year, because most of the people who died were over the average life expectancy in countries like the UK. So, for example, the average age of Covid death was 82.5 years or whatever it was. Then they start vaccinating everybody and suddenly we have a huge uptick in deaths of the middle-aged and the young, and we’re getting used to, like, celebrity . . . there’s a spate of celebrity 52-year-olds, I noticed, having fatal heart attacks. Something odd is going on, is it not?
HATCHARD: Absolutely it is. The paper yesterday here, the New Zealand Herald had a headline ‘Most Covid patients in the Omicron outbreak are vaccinated, but that is no reason to doubt vaccine benefits.’ And they also ran an article saying that the huge uptick in cardiac events they dubbed it the ‘Warne Effect’. They said middle-aged men are getting anxiety because they think they may be similar to Shane Warne, and they are having heart attacks because of anxiety. That’s what happens when the government . . . people are doing anything but admit that something has gone terribly wrong. If our government here, for example, was to admit that there had been a wrong turn. You know, we’ve had two years of saturation advertising, you can’t turn on the television or go to social media without being told that mRNA vaccines are completely safe and effective. People have become brainwashed and the government has curated this. They paid for it. They paid the media. And now they’re faced with the fact that it actually doesn’t work. We had a Covid-free New Zealand for two years but now we have Covid, and the vaccinated and unvaccinated are getting it about equally, as far as the relative population numbers are concerned. So it would be political suicide for Ardern to admit for two years that they had been pulling the wool over our eyes. And there’s no doubt that that happened absolutely deliberately. The government swept the side-effects under the carpet. We had 2,000 excess deaths in our very small country during the time that the vaccine was rolled out.
STEYN: That’s very significant, as you say, in a population the size of New Zealand. You can see similar things in the most totally vaccinated communities on Earth, in Gibraltar, for example and in Israel. They’re still saying, though, the United States, for example, is still saying you’re going to need to get the fourth booster. Right now, is there actually any scientific justification for giving anybody another shot of this stuff?
HATCHARD: What we’ve known for a long time, that every time you take one of these injections, the immune system gets suppressed. There was a paper published, for example, in May 2021 analysing this issue and now we know a lot more than that. So why is this happening? Well, pharmaceutical and biotech companies are really directly plumbed into governments. They’re plumbed into medicines regulators. There’s this International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities – UK is a member, New Zealand is a member. And that’s a direct line into pharmaceutical propaganda and distortion of evidence. This is driving government opinion. Jacinda Ardern has famously said, ‘The government should be your only source of information.’ Well, her only source of information are pharmaceutical companies and you know, I don’t like to use the word conspiracy, but it’s a coalition of information systems, mainstream media systems, governments and biotech companies who are ideologically committed to a biotechnology future. And that’s a really dangerous future. We’re well, you know, we’re facing a different kind of war altogether. We’re facing a total war, a total biological war.
STEYN: In the normal course of events, there should be room for a diversity of opinion of this, now, you’ve written about, for example, these German and Polish studies – these are not countries that we think of as fringe countries full of kooks who’ve cooked this thing up. Why do they not get more play? Why, two years in, is the media still so invested in the official narrative and only that?
HATCHARD: There’s a lot of money riding on it, I think. You know, biotechnology is seen as the future. And that runs through the whole political and economic system that we have. And if it was to get out, for example, and be accepted – which it should be – that the disease was created in a lab and the vaccine is created in a lab, people would start to realise that we’re facing something that we’ve never faced before, which is indiscriminate war. You know, biotech war is a kind of war. It’s got the psychology of the serial killer. Any victim will do, friend or foe and the more the merrier. Because these diseases, these pathogens do not distinguish between people and countries. This is a frightening prospect and it has to be stopped. But stopping that would change a whole system, which is predicated on the technological evolution of medicine, whereas in fact, you know, 95 per cent of our health is actually what we eat and what we do, how we conduct ourselves.
STEYN: You’re absolutely right about that, and that’s what I find the most fascinating thing, this stark contrast between excess mortality. That’s as basic an indicator as you can get. And the fact that when the Covid was rampaging around, there was ultimately no increase in excess mortality, because it targeted, basically, the very old. Then we switch things up, we come up with these vaccines and we insist on doing something that’s never been done before, where we say, basically, ‘Everybody on the planet has to get this stuff injected into their arm’ – including people who are at no risk whatsoever, such as people in young middle-age, in the flower of youth, or even primary school children. So we insist that all of those people have to get jabbed with this stuff. And there is a discernible uptick in excess mortality and yet we’re not permitted to talk about it.
HATCHARD: Absolutely. You can’t go there, you can’t talk about it whatsoever. And that is being curated by governments and being suppressed by media. It’s not a rational argument. I think one thing we have to realise, Mark, is that we’re not involved in a rational argument here. It’s not a question of sitting down with someone and saying ‘Let’s look at the science’ because I was in a position at the start here of corresponding with people who were advising the government. And when I started to raise some doubts and say, ‘Well, look, these side effects don’t look good’, then the conversation finished. It was a point of faith that the vaccine was a standalone solution. And this has been a point of faith in an increasingly kind of commercially-orientated medical system that vaccination is the standalone solution whereas in fact, the central underpinning factors of health are what we eat, how we exercise, how well we sleep, how well we conduct ourselves so we enjoy and we’re not stressed. These are the real factors now. I suggested right from the start here that we have to go ahead, I said to the government, ‘We have to go ahead and have a programme to help people improve their health habits, but that was completely rejected, ‘No, we’re going to go with vaccination.’ And a novel vaccination, this was a vaccine . . .
STEYN: We know it’s a fact, for example, obesity is one of the factors – one of the most serious underlying conditions – if you’re 40lb overweight or whatever, that’s more a determinant of how you’re going to handle Covid than anything. But what I can’t understand is why – there must be discussion of some of this at the highest levels in government and yet governments around the world are . . . I mean, in Canada, for example, you can’t get on a train unless you’ve been vaccinated, so you’re stuck where you are. You can’t take a train from Montreal to Toronto unless you’ve got proof of your vaccination status. How can they still insist on that, given a) what happened with the Omicron – so we’ve seen it makes no difference and b) what these disturbing questions these studies are raising?
HATCHARD: It’s a form of hubris. People have started to play God. I think you can see this in politics, is that (these) people really believe in themselves and their authority. Our whole system of having stakeholders has disappeared. You know, historically, democracy had stakeholders, and it dates right back to King John and Magna Carta when he had to rule with the barons instead of over them. The government has moved away from that model. They play it more like a reality TV game where there’s only one winner and he gets all the money and he tells everyone what to do. And this kind of psychology is wrapped up with it. Plus, there’s this idea that has been sold to everyone that biotechnology is going to cure every disease. And this is the big lie. If you look at the research, it’s highly mutagenic. The gene therapy that has been used over the last 30 years is not working.
STEYN: No, that’s a very good point, and it’s good of you to remind us of Magna Carta. We need to get some of these guys into a big boggy field off the River Thames and do that to them all over again. Thank you very much, Guy. We’re going to stay on this and we will read what you write and we will watch for other studies from Germany and Poland and such places.
The interview starts at 26 minutes in but the whole show is always worth watching!
