If someone had been publicly bad-mouthing you at every opportunity for more than a year, would you accept an invitation to his or her party? No. I don’t think so.

So why on earth would anyone expect Donald Trump to have any taste for visiting Britain again (apart from one of his golf courses or hotels) let alone accept a State visit invitation, should one ever be properly extended, after the non-stop character assassination and abuse hurled at him by America’s oldest ally? 

And why on earth would the BBC engage in the charade of expressing (fake?) surprise that Mr Trump has decided not to come to London to open the new American Embassy, as it did on the Today programme yesterday morning?

The Government and the BBC should count themselves lucky that Trump let them off the hook and sent out a face-saving (for the Government) tweet to explain his decision. Instead of chastising the Brits on their manners (he could have – the political class has been boorish, embarrassing and startlingly undiplomatic) he simply said he didn’t think much of the monstrosity that is the new embassy located on the south side of the Thames (or the money wasted on it). What, he asked, had been wrong with the fine edifice on Grosvenor Square?

Nothing except for all that ‘terrorism’s not going to change our lives’ and ‘we are carrying on as before, when we are not holding candle-lit vigils’. Unfortunately that sentiment didn’t extend to the barricaded fortress Grosvenor Square has become.

Now the Thames more than symbolises the new division between Britain and its only ally, and it’s a division of our making. It symbolises a new British rejection of the country which has saved us and Europe twice, which has the capacity to deal with the terrorist threat that led to the Grosvenor Square barricades in the first place, and which finally on Trump’s watch is being dealt with, by the country on which we depend for our security almost totally.

None of this has stopped the Government, London Mayor Sadiq Khan, the BBC, you name it, from treating the American President as though he is no better than a common felon, or Abu Hamza for that matter, such is the abuse heaped on him. Hate speech does not begin to say it. 

It’s not just been non-stop, it’s been official too. Given the insults sent his way since he became President, I commend this un-reticent man for his reticence. He must be spitting tacks privately.

You might have thought his cancellation of his visit would have given pause for thought, prompted a moment of reflection, an opportunity for self-examination. But no. Not on the Today programme anyway.  

If I had been the Today editor Sarah Sands, I would have insisted on my staff addressing it from his point of view, and asking whether British behaviour has been either measured or appropriate.

Was this measured or appropriate? Parliament held a debate following a petition to cancel Donald Trump’s state visit, due to have been hosted by the Queen last year. It was led by the egregious drugs-decriminalising Labour MP Paul Flynn, who took the opportunity (without reprimand) to describe Trump’s intellectual ability as ‘protozoan’, inviting the subsequent petulant bad behaviour of the debaters. This was the petition that called for the State Visit invitation to be downgraded because of Mr Trump’s ‘well-documented misogyny and vulgarity’, something which for some reason that had never bothered them in advance of Mr Clinton’s visits to this country. Should it have been countenanced?

And what of the undiplomatic official behaviour around the de facto retraction of the British invitation to Mr Trump for a State visit? How offensive was that? Did that not demand an apology?

How appropriate was Mrs May’s priggish and ill-judged public reprimand to Mr Trump over his retweet of the British First tweet? No, it did not prove that Mr Trump is racist, but that he was – as everyone knew – on occasion naïve and hasty. 

Or had the priggish, censorious and inaccurate BBC gone too far in encouraging anti-Trump venom? Had their reporters flaunted their bias and vented their very non-impartial fury one too many times?

Well, there was no chance of any such reflection. For who else was participating in this fake exercise but the incontinent North America correspondent himself, Jon Sopel. Yes, the man at the heart of the bias and venom, the reporter who’d displayed his prejudiceagainst ‘the populist’ Trump at every opportunity, even at the White House and to Mr Trump’s face, in swaggering displays of hubris. This was the man to whom the Today programme turned its disingenuous questions.

Why might Mr Trump have taken offence, John Humphrys asked him.

Instead of a mea culpa, Radio 4 Today dug itself further into its hole, offering the holier-than-thou Chuka Umunna (a would-be PM, for heaven’s sake) a new opportunity to smear the President of the USA – as a racist of course – to say how glad he was that the devil in President’s clothes was not landing on our shores any time soon.

All this was in the presence of the contrastingly well-mannered and measured American commentator Charlie Wolf, who gently rebuked them. No, he ventured, it would not have been the fear of Corbyn-provoked demonstrations that would put Trump off, rather Britain’s official and establishment behaviour, from Parliament to the PM to the Major. And no, France – where Mr Trump had already been welcomed by Monsieur Macron on a State visit – had not behaved like this. Listening, I felt ashamed for my country.

Wolf’s quiet remonstrance fell on stony ground. He must have left Broadcasting House shaking his head at the collapse of British manners, and at the disproportionate conceit of an ever smaller-minded and ever more defenceless nation, and asking if the Queen, looking to her crown, would not once more call in her Prime Minister for the severest of reprimands.

  • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Cheer up. He COULD have called it a shite-hole.

    • martianonlooker

      London already is, give it time and the rest of the country will follow.

      • Bernard from Bucks

        London yes, but the rest of country never.

        • robbydot

          Why? What’s going to stop it?

          • Bernard from Bucks

            Common sense.
            Common decency.
            Common Law and millions of decent, sensible, law abiding British Citizens. Once we get our country back from Brussels.

  • Bosanova

    For all his faults, and he has many, I’d still swap Trump for May in the Brexit negotiations. For one I’d know whose side he was on; secondly it would make for great spectator sport. Just imagine a tête-à-tête between teetotal Trump and brandy-for-breakfast Junker – you could sell tickets and play expletive-bingo.

  • martianonlooker

    President Trump is more British than the shower of absolute traitors we have infesting the Houses of Parliament. It is an absolutely disgusting way to treat our major ally.

    • Harley Quin

      Unfortunately they are cowed by the creepy mealy-mouthedness of the commentariat.

      I heard the ex Ambssador to the USA, Sir Christopher Myers, say on the `BBC yesterday that Trump is unpopular with the British people and that’s why he isn’t coming,

      You know what ? I reckon Trump is more popular in Britain than he is in the USA at present.

      Myers is falling into the usual political class trap of assuming that metropolitan attitudes are the attitudes of the country.

      A man who held his position should know better.

      • Alan Llandrindod Wells

        He did not hold the position.
        he sullied it.

  • noix

    Now it seems to be coming to light that he didn’t call countries ‘shithole’, however none of those who piled in will retract or apologize. May is a virtue signalling disaster as a PM.

  • TheRightToArmBears

    Elizabeth II is in no position to administer any reprimand. She broke her coronation oath to protect and preserve the sovereignty of this nation by signing four bills into law ceding power to Brussels.
    On being presented with the first she could have told Heath that she would sign but only if he would publicly state in the House of Commons what he was asking her to do. He would have withdrawn his tawdry bill at once rather than admit his treachery.
    But she didn’t and so the treachery was joined and complete.
    Trump is doing what’s best for his country. Would that we had such a leader.

  • Colonel Mustard

    I did enjoy Boris Johnson’s description of Sadiq Khan as “a puffed up pompous popinjay” although when I first heard it I thought he might be referring to Speaker Bercow.

    • richardofkent

      If the cap fits then Bercow should wear it !

      • Early Music World

        In fact this splendid description could be extended to a list too long to enumerate. All those preening Hollywood actresses of #MeToo just for a start …

    • Hibernating Dormouse

      Khan really is the most repugnant smell that ever offended a nostril.

      • Cassandra

        I kind of excuse him, on the ground that he is merely advancing his ethnic interests.

        Of course, when genuine Londoners do that, its ‘racism’

    • Sandra Madden

      I enjoyed this – Sadiq Khan has turned London into a sh*thole:
      http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/01/12/kassam-blasts-sky-news-sadiq-khans-london-shithole/

    • WelshGirl

      Hope you all enjoy this skynews sh1tnole interview, I doubt they’ll be replaying it:
      http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/01/12/kassam-blasts-sky-news-sadiq-khans-london-shithole/

      • Bosanova

        It’s a gem!

      • TheRightToArmBears

        That brown Aljabeeba apparatchik was glad his ancestors left Africa.
        Has anyone dared to ask him why he hasn’t returned to Africa to share the education he received from the racists in Britain, and help his soul brothers?
        Funny how blacks only travel from black countries to countries run by the hated racist whites.
        Why can’t black run countries that blacks want to migrate to?

    • I did too, in fact I laughed out loud!

  • Enemy Coast Ahead

    Donald Trump is far more astute leader than Theresa May – what the priggish political class are offended by with Donald Trump are his abilities to draw out their pearl-clutching pretensions – he offends their ever-so delicate sensibilities.

  • richardofkent

    Trump often gets to the very core of the problem but unfortunately uses language that offends the public sensibilities of those in politics, media etc. The sh**hole issue is a great example of this. He understands that millions of people will want to leave certain countries but that is not realistically possible because it will simply destroy the countries that take these poorly educated, religiously backward, intolerant people. He is questioning why those countries do not improve themselves. Look at the improvements in Singapore and other South East Asian counties over the last hundred years and compare them to Africa and parts of South America. Rather than call Trump a racist perhaps the media can look at the crime, corruption and lack of opportunities in those countries which are rich with natural reserves.

    • TheRightToArmBears

      What would the failed African countries be like today if they had been populated with Europeans and not negroes?
      Or am I racist for wondering?
      No doubt Chukka and the Abbottopotamus would say that Australia would be a more successful and attractive country if populated solely by negroes.

      • And why don’t they? Could it be because they are [what he said]?

        • TheRightToArmBears

          We will never know because we are not allowed to ask the question, and they would never dare recognise the question, let alone attempt to answer it.

    • Damaris Tighe

      Yes, Trump spoke a truth that every normal person knows but his language was simply a gift to left/liberals who now concentrate on that one word ‘sh*thole’. Trump was absolutely (and obviously to any sane person) correct but what he said has been lost in the mob reaction to that one word.

      • Alan Llandrindod Wells

        The MSM do not realise that Trump feeds on their oppositional stupidity.

        If they started praising him, he might struggle.

        • Damaris Tighe

          It may be, of course, that using the word ‘sh*thole’ was a brilliant move that drove blanket publicity for his statement. The word is used time and time again by ordinary people to describe the countries sourcing mass migration (just look, if you can bear it, at btl comments on Breitbart). It may have been a stroke of Trump genius to mirror the language of his support base.

          • Colonel Mustard

            That’s more like it. It will probably “liberate” the debate in the long run.

            People complain that political leaders are out of touch but when Trump uses the lenguage of the common man they complain about that.

          • Alan Llandrindod Wells

            A lot of people, who have visited Black Africa, would consider “Shithole ” mild.

      • 39 Pontiac Dream

        It doesn’t surprise me that the left are concentrating too much on the word ‘shithole.’ The BBC seem to be obsessed with it.

        • Damaris Tighe

          You should see the reports coming out of the US – the ‘liberals’ there are taking obsession to a whole new level. It’s a great shame that the truth of what Trump was saying has been completely lost.

          • 39 Pontiac Dream

            Why look at the US when our own media are obsessed with it? Well, obsessed with Trump, at least. Turn on the BBC and it’s a constant deluge of Trump, Brexit and minority campaigns. Rinse and repeat. I’m surprised the routine doesn’t bore even them.

  • Colkitto03

    Dear MSM, Week in and week out Trump is TROLLING you!
    The Metropolitan bubble remains obsessed with what Trumps says but not with what he does.

    • Not going to change, because if they looked at what he does, well, it would nullify the narrative, for all time. But we (and you) know that, and will carry on, to those broad sunlit uplands that an Anglo-American used to speak of.

  • Tethys

    The premise of this article seems to be that the office of POTUS deserves more respect than it has received from parties of whom TCW already disapproves, and that the incumbent has shown a degree of reticence and class in the manner he declined to visit.
    To some extent, possibly the former, but very sadly NOBODY has done more than the POTUS himself to disrespect, debase and devalue that office, right from campaign behaviour, through those 140-character discharges right to the blatant disconnect between juvenile personality and job description.
    Genius.

    • Kathy Gyngell

      Even if you accept this analysis – which I don’t – the media assault on Trump has been second to none – when did two wrongs make a right when it comes to behaviour? Britain is busy disgracing itself – and very far from showing how to lead by example.

      • It’s not an analysis. It’s the plain and obvious truth and it’s not a wrong to refuse to appease his behaviour.

        • Colonel Mustard

          “it’s not a wring to refuse to appease his behaviour”

          Can a behaviour be appeased? I know you lefties like to play fast and loose with language but surely “there is a right to disagree” would do just as well as the tortured sentence you wrote? But of course lefties don’t believe in an unqualified right to disagree so that tortured sentence conveys a great deal of meaning after all.

          • Little Black Censored

            I expect he thinks we should interrogate his behaviour as well.

          • Sure, behaviour can be appeased. You can defend the constant lying, the history of fraud and the expression of misogyny, racism and personal vindictiveness. And you can do it because he sticks it to the people you fear because they are different to you. You have every right to do that, but no right to any respect for it.

          • Colonel Mustard

            No, it cannot, however much you twist the comment as the tool for a bit more anti-Trump rhetoric with a bit of pompous presumption thrown in.

            I don’t fear anyone, much as you fervently wish to hang that label on me to reinforce your own bigotry. “Phobia” is your contrived word for dissent, not mine.

          • The ‘you’ in my comment was not meant to be a personal ‘you’, but as my Dad would have said – ‘if the cap fits wear it!’ As for anti-Trump ‘rhetoric’, I state well-documented facts.

        • Cassandra

          That’s pretty rich seeing that the whole thrust of leftism is to deny the plain and obvious truth about a swathe of things. Its called Political Correctness.

          Trump’s great virtue is that he refuses to bow to the systemisation of lies which this dreadful, totalitarian ideology amounts to.

          This will surely come as a shock to those who go out of their way to be ‘offended’, ie attempt to close down the public expression of views they don’t like.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Ball in the net.

          • “She shoots, she scores, Nothing but net.” Oh, excuse me, I grew up in Indiana, and basketball runs deep in the blood.

          • What you call ‘Political Correctness’ is no more or less than treating people and what they are with respect. Anyone who sees this as some sort of terrible ideological tyranny has a humanity deficit.

      • Tethys

        I notice the strapline of the piece refers to shameful insults and wonder what further behaviour the POTUS must show in order to qualify.
        Meanwhile, I do regret lazy journalism & editorial which can manifest in an unhelpful pursuit-frenzy often evident on the Today programme at the cost of real depth or insight.
        As with the fashionable undermining of the NHS or Scientific study here and elsewhere, this only ratchets-down public discourse and can risk habituation to a new substandard diplomatic norm when he achieves that perfectly well without assistance.
        Should he come? I don’t know.
        Was it handled well? no.
        Should he receive the respect incumbent with his office? – he has to give some out first.
        Two wrongs indeed never make a right, but as with children, they can sometimes make a point to the rationally minded.

    • Colonel Mustard

      Obama hardly enhanced the office of POTUS by being photographed in the oval office gleefully holding up his mobile on a selfie stick. Then there were his policies, which belied the gravitas in his speech performances.

      PS I think Trump can be pretty ghastly, but not as ghastly as the politically motivated and manufactured outrage about him in this country.

    • Sean Toddington

      They are all in denial. Ms Gyngell and the rest actually know that he is an ignorant emotionally incontinent oaf with a with an ego the size of a planet. But he is their ignorant emotionally incontinent oaf so they don’t care.

      • CheshireRed

        Well yeah, he IS a swaggering mouthy Yank but he’s delivering exactly what the people who voted for him wanted. Imagine that – a novelty almost unheard of over here. Your fury belies your own ignorance which was exactly what caused Brexit and put Trump in the WH. Leftists arrogant? Was it ever thus.

        • Barry Guevara

          The people who voted for him are very, very limited.

        • Sean Toddington

          I honestly don’t do fury. Swaggering? Is that what it is? Well you live and learn. Best laugh I’ve had today.

        • Sean Toddington

          I honestly don’t do fury. Swaggering? Is that what it is? Well you live and learn. Best laugh I’ve had today.

  • ancientpopeye

    Lets get one thing straight, the BBC do not represent me or anyone I know, they are a self obsessed naval gazing lump of excrement who should be split up and sold off.

  • shred

    LBC had Ian Dale on last night, a Conservative, saying that Trump had called certain countries a …. orifice or some such polite substitute and that he wished they had immigrants from Norway instead. He was therefore definitely a racist and was it not right that he did not come to London? Most of the London lefties then piled in to agree. The words he used did not refer to a body part, as Dale suggested. A …. hole in the US is what in the UK we call a ‘cess pit’. In US language the body part is called an ‘assh…’

    No-one pointed out that to call a country an insulting word is not racist, as the country is not a person. Countries such as Nigeria and Haiti have an out of control birth rate, poor standards of living and income, religious strife and appalling violence and abductions, bribery and corruption at all levels, poor housing which falls down every time the weather gets bad and an electricity supply that is rarely continuous. The word ‘cess pit’ may be thought a fair description.

    But that is the reason for much migration from these countries to others with better standards. On the other hand, Norwegians, with a very high standard of living and income are unlikely to want to migrate to the US, as they did in the past, as parts of the US could be considered a cess pit from their point of view. Scandinavians are very direct and they say that they have higher standards than the UK, which is true, or used to be.

    The term would also be appropriate for inner London, with a high birth rate, gang warfare, scooter theft, terrorism, a police force lead by political appointees, inadequate housing, illegal subletting, tube trains like cattle trucks, TB and HIV, and politicians such as its finger pointing ex-rights lawyer, puffed up incompetent twerp, who whips up whinging trots to protest and lies about plans for housing and transport. Many British people prefer to stay away from London and consider it a separate and foreign part of the land, crowded with lying politicians, EU loving flakes and foreigners. No wonder Trump decided to give it and the EU collaborators in Downing Street a miss. We should offer him a visit to meet Liz and Phil at Balmoral then a round of golf at his club and keep Charles the Green away in case he puts his foot in his mouth as usual.

    • Cassandra

      The reason why these places are cesspits is that their inhabitants have made them so.

      What, apart from deeply flawed ideas that nurture always trumps nature, which beg the questions about why nurture exists in the first place, makes anyone think there is going to be much change once they land up in the USA or Europe?

    • Dorothy Webb Davies

      Well said. I think we should now move our capitol city – we could make it Winchester again. It would be more British, I think.

  • Uusikaupunki

    This ridiculous situation has reached such a pitch that I have taken it upon myself to contact the White House personally and say how ashamed I feel that the “elite” of this country can treat the President of the United States in such a manner, and should he visit he would receive a warm welcome from myself and other like-minded people. Pointless, I know, but made me feel a little better about it, instead of shouting at a tv screen.

    • Neptus 9

      They’re just following the lead of US media, who seem to control much of the policy of a number of countries.

    • James60498 .

      I think that is an excellent idea, and I will add it to my “to-do” list.

    • Lagopus scotica

      Petition to give President Trump a full state visit, in case anyone’s interested: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/204996 (there may be others, this one is on the front page of the petitions webpage today).

      • Dorothy Webb Davies

        Just went off and signed it. It is getting on towards the 10,000 needed. Thanks Lagopus s.

  • paul parmenter

    I sometimes wonder if Trump is all that bothered about the UK. On this side of the pond our twittering and twattering armies seem to be obsessed with him; or at least obsessed with trashing everything he does and says. But the US does not need us, and if we keep giving them the impression that we think far more of a bunch of posturing Hollywood celebs than we do of the elected leader of their country, then perhaps he is right to ignore us and stay away. We will have proved ourselves just not to be that important or worth visiting.

    • Roanoake

      Who’s this ‘we’? Particular politicians have proved themselves not worth meeting, certainly.

  • Cassandra

    Trump is right about the new Embassy -not just about its location, either. It looks to me like a standard-issue black box. Utterly devoid of grace and style – anything, except functionality. Ghastly.

    And this is the best that the finest architects can manage. ‘Finest’ ? Compared to what or who, if anything or anybody ?

    • I don’t really hate the new embassy, as long as you remember it is a castle. Grosvenor Square wasn’t designed to be, and it showed. Still a few companies of Marines would have been far cheaper, and would have cut down on terrorism in the neighborhood, as well.

  • 39 Pontiac Dream

    I opened the BBC website yesterday and found that the 3 top stories were all about Trump – detrimental, of course. This has been the case ever since Trump announced his intention to run for president. Since he was elected (democratically, I should add), the BBC has turned from the anti-Brexit Broadcasting Corporation (and minority campaigners) to the anti-Brexit/anti-Trump Broadcasting Corporation. We, the UK dogsbodies, are funding the BBC to provide us, every day, with articles which range from Trump racist, Trump idiot, Brexit stupid, Brexit xenophobic and a plethora of stories about why we should be glad that Butchy McButchface is having a baby. I say it again – we are paying them to do this!
    I always find it odd, though never surprising, when the BBC aim their weapons at the ‘misogynistic and racist’ Trump but ignore those erstwhile idiots on the left who are as capable of misogynistic and racist abuse themselves but who get away with it because they are on the left.
    I give Trump credit for taking all of the abuse (from our government, media, his government and media, and mainstream leftism the world over) in his stride. To all intents and purposes, he’s done well since he became president (raising manufacturing and jobs) but that doesn’t matter to his detractors. He could cure the ills of the planet and they’d still hate him.

  • Colonel Mustard

    In the not so distant past one of the expressions often used by lefties to describe their own country or home towns to justify the “change”,”diversity” and “progress” they so eagerly seek was exactly the expression alleged to have been used by Trump.

    • It’s a common enough phrase in the US, and accurate enough, I think.

  • Damaris Tighe

    Good post Kathy, but you forgot to mention May’s unconscionable meddling in the Charlottesville controversy – a US domestic incident she should have kept schtum about. Ticking off Trump for his words after Charlottesville was the moment when I’d had it with May. It was nothing to do with GB. She was just virtue signalling and putting UK interests in jeopardy. Amazing behaviour for a PM!

    • 39 Pontiac Dream

      When has May ever done anything right? Serious question. Was she a good home secretary? Is she a good constituency MP? Is she a good PM? I can answer for 2 of those with a resounding no. Did she get the premiership just to stick it to Labour that they have had 2 female PM’s and Labour none? Probably.

      • Damaris Tighe

        May is a complete disaster. A report in yesterday’s Spectator quoted a minister saying (paraphrasing – I’m having a senior moment!) that behind the facade there’s nothing there.

    • Colonel Mustard

      She seems desperate to appeal to lefties who are never going to stop hating her and the Tories. Does she really believe in all this SJW stuff or is she just grasping for positive headlines in the same way that other doomed PM Gordon Brown used to?

      • Damaris Tighe

        She’s an empty vessel.

        • She reminds me increasingly of Mitt Romney, go along with those who do not have your best interests at heart, so you can go to the ‘right’ cocktail parties. Poor way to run a country.

          • Barry Guevara

            Dear Mitt and his magic Mormon underpants.

      • Harley Quin

        She said the Tory Party was called ‘the nasty party’. As if trying to be realistic was ‘nasty’.

        So she’s trying to rectify matters by being ‘nice’ ie unrealistic, which is actually being pretty nasty.

  • “Sh*thole countries” was language that Donald Trump ought not to have used. But when it comes to Haiti, and when it comes to at least one African country, before then the richest on the continent, look up what Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton did not merely call them, but do to them. It is absolutely imperative that the protests against Donald Trump when he does eventually come to Britain be led by people who opposed Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama, and who would have opposed Hillary Clinton. On that basis, bring on the State Visit.

    Boris Johnson is blaming Jeremy Corbyn and Sadiq Khan for Trump’s cancelled visit next month, thereby declaring them to have far more power than Johnson himself, or even Theresa May, has. If Trump does not want to have protesters, then he is right not to come to Britain, and should confine his visits to his former destination of Saudi Arabia. But I for one greatly look forward to his eventual arrival on these shores. It would provoke a reaction such as would redefine this country’s cultural and political life for at least 50 years, overflowing from the biggest demonstrations that Britain had ever seen.

    • 39 Pontiac Dream

      When Trump visits, I fear the lefty demonstrations and the constant media remonstrations, would embarrass our once great country. Every day, another article attacking the democratically elected president – it’s tedious.
      I hope Trump knows that the idiots constantly attacking him in this country are the minority and the majority will welcome a visit from our American allies.

      • I’d welcome such a visit, for the reasons that I stated. Would Boris Johnson, who wrote a couple of years ago that he no longer visited New York for fear of meeting Donald Trump?

        As a comment to me elsewhere put it yesterday: “Trump has now been to half the countries in the world as President without ever coming to Britain. Face it, fanboys, he ain’t coming. He’d be at more risk here than anywhere else in the world including North Korea. There’s a reason you only ever meet each other on the Internet.”

        • Colonel Mustard

          “Because half a dozen grasshoppers under a fern make the field ring with their importunate ch1nk while thousands of great cattle, reposed beneath the shadow of the British oak, chew the cud and are silent, pray do not imagine that those who make the noise are the only inhabitants of the field — that, of course, they are many in number or that, after all, they are other than the little, shrivelled, meagre, hopping, though loud and troublesome insects of the hour.”

          • Indeed, you are.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Of all the things you are, being obtuse is not one of them. You and I both know what Burke’s description conveys, now as well as then.

            And you write above implying merit in “daring” to disagree but dislike it when it is your dogma being disagreed with.

            Why are you even here? Because the other trolls sent by whichever leftist collective controls you are so inept and counter productive?

          • We read Burke as well, perhaps more than the average Briton does, these days. We know, and yet, for once the president is indeed being reticent. Well, our people have been friends since the forties regardless of the nonsense of our elites and governments. But that can change, because the drumbeat of media and government is wearing. I doubt the state visit will happen, and any official coming here will be met properly, and coldly, instead of the warm and informal greeting that is accorded America’s friends. Playing with matches is foolish for a child, more so for a PM.

    • Colonel Mustard

      Lefties always seem to relish power through violence and revolution. But what you really mean is that the usual suspects would indulge in the usual noise and disorder as they have been doing all my life.

      • When was that? To what effect? These demonstrations would be entirely peaceful, and they would change Britain definitively for the rest of my life. Bring on the State Visit. Although, as a comment to me elsewhere put it yesterday: “Trump has now been to half the countries in the world as President without ever coming to Britain. Face it, fanboys, he ain’t coming. He’d be at more risk here than anywhere else in the world including North Korea. There’s a reason you only ever meet each other on the Internet.”

        • Colonel Mustard

          “When was that?” Come off it. You’re in denial.

          ttps://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/riot-chic-how-violent-protest-became-fashionable/

          And if anti-Trump protests were to be peaceful I’d eat Vince Cable’s hat.

          The comment which you quote makes my point about the left relishing violence. The only way they get to lord it over everything is by bullying and intimidation. People still detest them though.

          • People daring to disagree with you is not violence, no matter how unused to it you may be. If Trump cannot cope with protests, then he ought to confine his overseas trips to his former destination of Saudi Arabia.

          • Colonel Mustard

            I was not referring to disagreement but rather to hurling fire extinguishers from roofs, spitting at people for merely attending a legitimate party conference, chasing the leaders of legitimate political parties into pubs, assaulting them and their families attempting to enjoy a private meal, creating such violent disorder that police have to protect and evacuate people for nothing more than attempting to give speeches, endorsing the assassination of British Prime Ministers and others, defacing party political campaign posters with nasty graffiti and turning out a violent mob to disrupt and shout down any dissenting peaceful protest, etc., etc., etc.

            And all of that is associated with British left wing politics and only denounced by the Labour party in the most evasive and mealy-mouthed terms.

          • Barry Guevara

            There’s nothing wrong with defacing campaign posters…

          • Vandalism, destruction of private property, likely trespassing. Nope nothing to see here, move along.

          • Barry Guevara

            So you’d expect complete respect to be shown for a Labour campaign sig in, say, a Tory area?

          • Yes, the law is the law. Or at least it used to be. And from what I’ve seen of Tories, I’ll bet it pretty much is.

          • Barry Guevara

            What a dull world.

          • TheRightToArmBears

            Didn’t you work for the EU in Italy a few years ago?
            No wonder you’re a raving remainer/renowned.
            Protecting your EU pension.

          • TheRightToArmBears

            DL hasn’t denied it.
            I’m right. He is just another EU-paid renowned/remainer, grizzling away to preserve his ill-gotten pension.
            You can ignore him, folks.
            But then you really knew that anyway, didn’t you?

    • Dave S

      Then we can get right down to it. The shires versus London and Manchester Bristol Birmingham and the start of a civil war. Are you insane?
      The gulf is already there between London and us. That is the defining feature for the forseeable future. It cannot be bridged now.

  • James60498 .

    When the Tory Party elected Cameron as leader some at least who voted for him could claim afterwards that they were conned into voting for him thinking that as he was a Conservative MP he should be a conservative. Ok. That’s an admission of stupidity on their behalf but it’s understandable as intelligence has never been a requirement for membership of the party.

    Those MPs who voted for May have no such excuse. Of course many of them are stupid too, but there is NO excuse for not knowing what she is after her time as Home Secretary. I hope at least those who lost their seats because of her have woken up to the error of their ways.

    • Barry Guevara

      That was a party political broadcast by UKIP, whose present leader is ‘spending time’ with a lady who is 25 and may be otherwise engaged.

      • James60498 .

        What was? If you mean what I wrote then you couldn’t be more wrong.

        • Barry Guevara

          If you’re not a Kipper, my apologies. Terribly funny about their leader’s peccadilloes, though.

          • James60498 .

            Never been a member.
            Was asked to join by a fellow ex-Tory councillor and attended a couple of meetings about 8 years ago, but never joined and never went back.

          • Barry Guevara

            The meetings must have been quite something…

          • James60498 .

            I went as a favour to a former colleague. One who had seen sense and left the Tory Party. I made it clear that I was coming along to look but that I had no plans to join but might change my mind. All that happened was that I didn’t change my mind.

            Quite why you saw my earlier post as a UKIP broadcast I don’t know. It’s equally not a Labour broadcast or a LibDem one. Just because I detest what the Tory Party has become does not make me a “Kipper”.

  • Barry Guevara

    Insulting Trump cheers me beyond reason.

    Why? Because it’s the joy of the powerless (ie., me, my friends and anyone I know) to see the most powerful man in the world get his nose tweaked, ever so slightly. And that is never going to go out of fashion. It’s like a being a Saxon peasant laughing because William the Conqueror has just fallen over in a cowpat. And that is, it seems what annoys powerful people the most: namely that some idiot has mocked them and there’s very little they can do to bring their power to bear. That will never go out of fashion.

    • UKCitizen

      “ever so slightly”
      Seriously! The left in the US have done everything bar civil war to bring him down with absolutely no justification apart from that they didn’t like losing.

      • Barry Guevara

        Firstly. I’m not on ‘the left’. Secondly, I’m in the UK. Thirdly, his opponents seem to be quite diverse.

        • Firstly, sure, buddy. Secondly, we know, because you parrot the BBC, Thirdly, you are quite wrong, doing better with almost all Whites, Hispanics, Asians, and not far behind King OBarmy with blacks. Doesn’t do well in New York, Frisco, DC, and London, who need those fools.

          • Barry Guevara

            That’s nice, dear.

        • UKCitizen

          Not really diverse, they all have vested interests that he is threatening.

          • Barry Guevara

            I have friends who are Republicans who dislike Trump.

          • And I have friends who are Democrats who detest Obama, so what?

          • UKCitizen

            Are your friends high up in the political sphere in the US or part of the swamp or some large government body?
            I have friends who are labour and dislike Blair and some dislike Corbyn, I also have friends who are Tory who dislike May and some Cameroon.
            Your point?

      • Harley Quin

        Yes they seem to have a sense of entitlement to power which is disturbing.

    • Jab

      But its not the powerless doing the mocking and that is a problem.The UK establishment have declared Trump to be their enemy almost and that is not the peoples wish and without their consent.The people of the US elected Trump and we have had muany , much worse dictators as guests

      • Barry Guevara

        I have no power, and I am enjoying seeing him mocked. You?

    • Capitan Cinico

      He doesn’t even know you exist, let alone be bothered by your insults.

      • Barry Guevara

        But I know he exists, and that he’s annoyed by the dislike, which amuses me.

      • Harley Quin

        I’m sure Trump couldn’t give a flying fig for how he is described by the left.

        • TheRightToArmBears

          That is his strength, and his opponents weakness.

  • Countrywatch

    A very good article.

  • UKCitizen

    Given Corbyns dubious friends and acquaintances as well as our political classes acceptance of a host of dictators and despots over the years without complaint, I find our treatment of the potus disgusting. It seems that because the left feel he is a fascist and whatever labels they attribute to him, that is fine. Actually being and acting out a dictatorial regime is perfectly acceptable to them especially if the said regime is on the left or from some perceived oppressed nation. I am sure Hugo would have been welcomed with open arms.
    It is the liberal elite and bourgeoisie in this country falling in line with their equally contemptible lefty friends across the water egged on by the BBC and CNN.
    They should be careful about the atmosphere they are creating as it could spell the end of peaceful democracy in the west.

    • Colonel Mustard

      The most disgusting creatures in the world are acceptable to the left as long as they profess to be left wing. Any political advocates of the right, regardless of their personal characteristics, are treated as pariahs. It is intolerant political bigotry which has caused misery for millions and will keep on doing so until it is destroyed. There is no balance in politics today and those on the right who seek to accommodate or compromise with the left just aid and abet their totalitarian objectives.

  • Jab

    The appalling Khan, BBC and May have behaved very badly and I feel ashamed.If we end up worse off I will not be suprised.It is their job to behave in a way which does not lose business or provoke hostility but both outcomes are likely.
    Democracy is failling and it is very worrying.

    • TheRightToArmBears

      Khan, Aljabeeba and the LibLabConspiracy all work to establish The Caliphate.

  • Mike Fowle

    Well said. I see flicking down that the usual suspects are out in force – Barry Guevara, David Lindsay, Tethys, Sean Toddington, Needless to say I don’t bother to read their contributions. I doubt whether an American President has ever been subjected to such hysterical abuse as Trump, but he quietly gets on with making America great again. What a pity our foolish bigoted “leaders” won’t side with him.

    • Strong Woman #FBPE

      “Needless to say I don’t bother to read their contributions”

      Your closed-mindedness and unwillingness to consider opposing views is, sadly, typical of the modern Right (or rather the Alt-Right).

      • Harley Quin

        Why do you post in bold type ? It betokens weakness, not strength. Its as if you are aware that your arguments are weak, so you have to try to make up for them with bold type.

      • JabbaPapa

        Hallo weak girl !!! ooooh, looks like you’ve got PMS again !!!

    • Barry Guevara

      Nixon? LBJ?

    • Certainly George Washington wasn’t. George III himself once told John Adams, “Then he shall be the greatest man in the world.”

    • Colonel Mustard

      Guevara’s mask of political neutrality and uninterest soon slipped!

  • Barry Guevara

    Darlings. I want you to help me understand something.

    Politics is very tribal. Parties might loathe and abhor their leaders but, in the main, they stand by them in public. It’s the same, often, with party members or even voters. You want to believe that your boy and girl has all the answers, which is an understandable human quality. But occasionally, and often towards the end of their tenure, a leader becomes so toxic that you simply give up, forget your allegiance and criticise them quite openly.

    Corbyn is one such person, of deep and hopeless connection to people who mean the country harm. And Trump, I would have thought, is another, so bellicose and buffoonish as to be indefensible. I will quite happily loathe Corbyn and wish he was somewhere other than he is, while you all want to be seen to support Trump. Why is that?

    • In a word, results.

      • Barry Guevara

        Results matter more than morality?

        • What’s the problem on the morality? As far as has been documented, and that’s very far, he’s never really broken a law, even in dealing with corrupt bureaucrats and unions in a corrupt city. He hasn’t even come close to violating the constitution as president, which Obama did before breakfast most days. He’s a bit loud and crude, many Americans are, including me on occasion, but that not immoral, it’s the rowdy American way. Don’t like it, don’t deal with us, plenty of others will.

          • Barry Guevara

            Married three times with numerous allegations trailing after him like a very bad smell. There are the links with Russia that are genuinely disquieting, the so-called ‘locker room talk,’ casual misogyny and, as you say, he’s loud and crude. Oh, and his father was a racist who nurtured Trump’s early career. Dealing with you, incidentally, isn’t in my gift.

          • Harley Quin

            Most people’s fathers were what is called ‘racist’ these days.

          • Barry Guevara

            Not to that extent. Woody Guthrie had a song abut him.

          • TheRightToArmBears

            And the folk that Kipling described as ‘the lesser breeds without the law’ were only too anxious to come and live with those racists in their racist countries.
            Why can’t Africans run a country that other Africans would want to migrate to?

  • AgnesMay

    Add to this ,The Queen via Prince Harry, fawning over Obama ,who never ceased to mock the ‘special relationship, who pointedly removed the bust of Churchill from the Oval office and returned it to the UK in the rudest possible gesture. His advisor was bragging about how Obamas admin team would try to annoy UK diplomats by referring to the Falklands as the Malvinas at every opportunity. In the US media much is being made of Her Majesty attending Harrys wedding with the Obamas and her ‘clever’ way of showing her disapproval of Trump. British soldiers died defending the Falklands, my support for the Royal Family has ended with this disgraceful politicking by its members approved by the Queen.

    • Barry Guevara

      Gibberish.

      • AgnesMay

        Which part is not true?

        • Barry Guevara

          Quite a bit.

        • TheRightToArmBears

          Agnes, he/she/it is best blocked.
          It clears away a lot of pointless virtue-signalling and makes finding genuine discussion easier.

        • Colonel Mustard

          Don’t let Guevara reel you in. It just gives him the opportunity to spout more disruptive tripe. Block or ignore.

        • libertarian_contrarian

          Perhaps the part about returning the bust of Churchill rudely. In fact it was a personal loan to GWB and there was already another bust of Churchill in the WH that was left in place by Obama.

    • TheRightToArmBears

      Brenda broke her coronation oath when she signed four bills into law ceding this country’s sovereignty to Brussels.
      Brenda is now just another EU citizen/subject of the EU region of Transmarche.
      She ceased to be sovereign when she signed the bill sent by Heath.

      • Ashley Dickenson

        She has been forced to break her coronation oath x number of times, not least the signing into law of homosexual behaviour; abortion; Sunday trading; the national lottery.. need I go on? Hence this nation reaping what it is sowing.

    • Ashley Dickenson

      The ‘special relationship’ – allegedly, despite the US’s support for Noraid, a pro-IRA organisation.

  • Politically__Incorrect

    I hope Donald Trump wins a second term in office for two reasons. One, because I think what he does is mostly right, and secondly because anything that makes our sneering, small-minded political classes squirm has got to be good. The political right is on the rise, particularly across Eastern Europe. Its growth in the UK and other Western European countries has been stunted (look at the current state of UKIP for example). But the public mood is changing here too. Trump, for all his faults and hasty clumsiness, is a fearless revolutionary. I hope he sticks his middle finger up to the current British establishment, because they are beneath contempt.

    • Colonel Mustard

      One of the worst characteristics of the modern transatlantic left (forged through Common Purpose) is their arrogant presumption of the right to rule, regardless of the results of any elections or referanda delivering a different message. Thus, with any result they don’t like, they protest, agitate and subvert. And the media let them get away with it. Quite disgusting behaviour, really.

      • The_Mocking_Turtle

        A perfect description of the behaviour of the Republican party whenever the Democrats have won power in America. They they protest, agitate and subvert in order to frustrate the efforts of the president and government, hoping to pull everything down and reaquire power as a result.

        As the current idiot in the White House might conclude one of his semi-literate tweets: Not good. That said I’m off to enjoy to enjoy a nice hot cup of covfefe… whatever that might be!

    • Ashley Dickenson

      He is also pro-life (has closed down Planned Parenthood clinics, or had them closed down) and pro-Israel and I commend him for deciding – what has eluded all previous US Presidents – to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    • The_Mocking_Turtle

      No second term for the “clearly narcissistic” Trump according to Michael Gove MP, current Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-michael-gove-second-term-interview-quit-2020-election-president-narcissistic-latest-a7595346.html

      For once I agree wholeheartedly with the litte chap.

  • The_Mocking_Turtle

    Based on all extant evidence it seems that a majority of British people, including the Royal family, liked Barack and Michelle Obama and dislike Donald and Melania Trump for all sorts of reasons. Nothing can be done about this insofar as I can see. If Trump is ever bold enough to visit this country there will be widespread protests against and barbed criticism just as there were when the Chinese Xi Jinping visited the UK.

    If Trump thinks that the British people well welcome him warmly, ever, well that ship has sailed and if he is so thin skinned to be dissuaded from paying Great Britain a visit because protesters and coverage of the visit may cast him in a bad light then we will never see him on these shores publicly while still president.

    That’s just the way it is based on Trump’s narcissism, juvenile outbursts, immature personality and oafish behaviour.

    Suck it up!

    • Colonel Mustard

      Are you today’s assigned “monitor” – until America wakes up and Troll Team USA takes over?

      • The_Mocking_Turtle

        On an unpaid basis, possibly. You can’t polish dung, Colonel, although several people on this very site regularly and determinedly try to do so as far as Donald Trump is concerned.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/27/what-britain-thinks-of-trump/?utm_term=.2ff3a9d115d0

        • Arrbee

          ‘the eyes of British people’. Very funny, I think you would find a great majority if Brits don’t agree with this ‘lefty’ groundswell and attitude. The article is correct. British politicians have lost being statesman like in behaviour. TM is being dragged down into the swamp having to show that she is in semi-agreement with all the rubbish being spouted. I don’t blame Trump for not coming here, I certainly wouldn’t. His alleged reason is spot on, the building is an eyesore.

          • The_Mocking_Turtle

            You obviously didn’t check out the link I gave giving the results of several overwhelmingly negative British polls in respect to Trump. Anyway, when all is said and done, why would such a great man care about the views of citizens living in a sh*thole country in respect to him personally?

            Or is it only countries with majority black populations Trump has declared to be “sh*tholes”? The racial insults come so think and fast out of the White House since he became a tenant I find them difficult to keep up with!

        • Colonel Mustard

          You either are or you are not, whether paid or volunteer. The volunteers are always the worst.

          • The_Mocking_Turtle

            A polished gem; always worthwhile.

    • Dave S

      Why use that crude last three words. You would be better off with the like minded foul mouthed herd on CIF.
      You do not speak for the people of this country any more than I do.
      Regarding President Trump and his visit. It was a snub and so transparent was his reason that only a fool would see it as otherwise.
      Very clever and in East Asia no doubt caused much hilarity .
      The President has probably done with us and now we will have to live with it.
      I am actually pleased.

      • The_Mocking_Turtle

        “The President has probably done with us and now we will have to live with it.
        I am actually pleased.”

        Me too!

        By the way “Suck it up” is an American colloquialism similar to “Grin and bear it”, i.e., “put up with something difficult or unpleasant”.

        Which is why I used it!

        (It’s a big ask but: Do try to keep up.)

        .