Paul T Horgan: Calling Diane Abbott fat and ugly is not sexist

Ah, by-elections. Gotta love 'em.

Not associated with directly bringing down governments by altering the electoral balance, they are a sort of free-for-all for public expression. They attract joke candidates, like the Monster Raving Loony Party. They are used by the media as a barometer of sorts. This month we have two of them. What fun.

The media narrative is that Labour is due to lose some safe seats. And this will demonstrate to Jeremy Corbyn exactly how destructive his leadership actually is. There is a small problem with this narrative: it has been the same since Corbyn took over. However, voters so far have failed to follow it by defeating any Labour candidate for MP or Mayor.

But all that appears to be changing, 'appears' being the operative word. The Tories are set to win in Copeland. Ukip is set to win in Stoke. Given that both by-elections have been caused by Labour MPs quitting Parliament because they see no future under Corbyn, this has to follow.

Well, not quite.

There are mixed reports coming from both campaigns. Well, from Stoke, at least. Copeland has been all but quiet.

Over in Stoke, the big fight is between Ukip and Labour. Ukip’s leader is standing in a seat that has been dubbed 'Brexit Central'. To believe The Guardian and the New Statesman, Labour is set to hold the seat. It is possible that these journals might be biased.

Labour do have a problem with their candidate in Stoke. He has been a bit of a loose cannon on Twitter. Gareth Snell has made disparaging comments about Brexit voters and also about his Party's leader. But then, this may have been at a time when no-one believed that the local MP might quit a party rapidly becoming a museum-piece to go and work in an actual museum. But that's not his only problem.

Snell has been critical of women appearing on television. The Horror. Apparently, many years ago, Snell had taken it upon himself to provide a running commentary on some television programmes and made some negative remarks about the women on some shows. This is now seen as sexist.

Well, up to a point.

Snell's comments have not been sexist. They have been derogatory. Surely we live in an age of equality, or we are repeatedly told we should be by the Left. In this mandatory egalitarian age, should it not be normal to be equally rude about women as about men? If women are regarded as a 'protected species' to be insulated from unpleasant comments, that is not equality. We have not seen if Snell has been abusive about men on television. Perhaps he is just a person who likes to be unpleasant online, or is generally a nasty man.

Alternatively, this whole equality lark is just bunkum. If women cannot 'man-up' about insults in the same way a man does, then they should not expect to be treated like a man. Insults cannot be abolished. There is something called 'freedom of speech'.

Snell is not the only person to have been outed for being derogatory about women. David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, sent a text message implying that migraine martyr Diane Abbott should perhaps ditch any ambitions she might have had to compete for Miss Universe 2018.

However, the criticisms of David Davis are coming from the same direction as the harshest attacks that were made against Margaret Thatcher, including about her appearance. There is a clear double-standard going on here. Steve Bell, a veteran cartoonist for The Guardian, depicts Mrs May as a green-haired, pan-faced clone of Mrs Thatcher. This is probably because he is unable to draw a proper caricature of the Right Honourable Member for Maidenhead. A recent cartoon of his depicted an unpleasant physical relationship between President Trump and Mrs May. Mrs Thatcher, a woman who has now passed away, is still subject to regular abuse.

No one from the Left complains about the vicious attacks on these women. Somehow, none of this is seen as sexist. Meanwhile a hint, made in the expectation of privacy, about the consequences of Ms Abbott's apparent success in preventing lettuce getting into her digestive system in quantity, is enough to force an apology. None of her detractors ever apologised to Margaret Thatcher.

There seems to be an emotional over-engagement with the superficialities of politics. The words 'febrile atmosphere' are seriously overused here. We are living in an age of internet-induced mass psychosis. This drives an unabated emotional response as people are bombarded with a news feed they seem to be unwilling to turn off. At the same time it provokes an immediate emotional reaction based on minimal information. The growth in social media seems to have increased popular hysteria, mainly on the left.

In this hysteria, a private comment implying the uncomeliness of the Jeremy Corbyn's holiday bike buddy is classed as sexist abuse of the worst kind, enough to be headline news. It is not. An apology is expected. It is not needed, and should not have been made. Jokes were made all the time about Sir Eric Pickles's dimensions when he was a minister. He even got in on the joke himself. Surely in the age of equality, similar hints can be made about stoutness on the distaff side?

Socialists like to talk about the utopian ideal where people can interact in an atmosphere of safety and mutual respect. However a close inspection of comments pages and online reveals that this 'respect' only applies to fellow-thinkers. Outside of this ideological bubble, it is open season, and this is the norm. There is no limit on the violence and abuse, verbal and physical. All of this is regarded as legitimate or understandable by liberal commentators and politicians. They should, therefore, not be surprised if other people regard it as open season on them, on the verbal level alone. Do unto others, etc. These were not rape threats, which seem to be the normal part of political discourse in Corbyn's Labour, and appear to have been quietly brushed under the carpet.

Snell was being rude, rather than sexist. David Davis was being disparaging, not assaulting the matriarchy. If it is widely seen as acceptable, as it regrettably is, to be insulting about Conservative women, should not their left-wing counterparts understand receiving the same treatment when they merit it? That would be the true equality they seem to aspire to.

Alternatively it is actually time for all the hissing to stop, especially from the Left.

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Paul T Horgan

  • J M

    Mr Horgan, you fail to appreciate the essential rule of what passes for intelligent conversation in Hampstead: one rule for the “nice” left and another for the “nasty” right. Left people can be singularly horrid and abusive to those on the right. The Right, however, must never say anything vaguely disparaging about someone on the left. This is OK because by definition the Left are “nice” and the right are “nasty”.

    The reason for this is simple. To be Left you have either to be very stupid or very believing because all the evidence shows that the political principles of the Left do not work in practice. Left is therefore a creed. The Left thinks that having a creed entitles them a sense or moral superiority. The Right, on the other hand, pursue pragmatic, grubby policies that actually work. They are therefore beneath contempt because in the eyes of the Left they do not believe in anything.

    It is a peculiar truth that the Left a actively hates its opponents – how else can one explain the horrors committed in the name of socialism the world over? The Right on the other hand does not hate its opponents; it might treat them with weary contempt or in a patronising fashion, but hatred is not the way of the Right. That is the sole preserve of the Left.

    • Bill Cook

      The left cannot shake the conviction that their opponents do the things they do because they’re nasty people. For example, if a political opponent calls for the privatisation of the NHS, they must be doing it because they want people to die and not because they think it might be a better operating model. Calls to reduce immigration are because they want foreign people to die, not because of the pressure on services and wages. Ones opponents’ ideas may be bad ones, but only the left gives itself a licence to hate by ascribing the worst of motives to them whenever possible.

      • paul parmenter

        Yes, I have spent not just years but decades hearing the same claim endlessly repeated by the Labour party: that the wicked Tories are hell bent on destroying the NHS, and are just itching for any opportunity to do so. The fact that during those decades we have had many years of Tory rule with working majorities, but the NHS has still managed to survive well enough (albeit never exactly flourishing, regardless of who has been in power) does not change their opinions one iota. Look out for the same at the next election: the Tories will have a secret agenda to kill off the NHS because they are all rich toffs who can buy private medicine, and they just don’t care how many of the rest of us have to live with disease and pain.

        • Labour_is_bunk

          The Daily Mirror claimed a few weeks ago that “cuts” were bringing the NHS “to its knees”. I swear you could almost see the blackness round its edges.

      • Mr TaxPayer

        I lock my door at night not because I hate the people on the outside, but because I love the people on the inside.
        I believe in controlled immigration for the same reason. Anyone who professes to loving open borders needs to explain why they lock their doors at night. Ironically many lovers of open borders can be found drunk and stoned on a farm in Somerset for a week in late June. They use a 12-mile long perimeter fence and 2,000 security staff to enforce their open borders belief…

    • Cassandra

      Nailed it, JM.

    • Philip Meikle

      Nailed on the head. The lefts crusade for equliaty and supporting minorities is driving alot of society right.Think of the left as a religion and it all makes sense. The church of tolerance, everyone must worship it, if you joke about it then, as it is sacred then you must be flagelated and thrown out. Most normal people go along with church until a point, at which point they ignore it and go back to doing their own thing. This is what is currently happening.

      • Lawrence Newman

        Right is normality.

    • Partridge

      As much as I’d like to agree with you, and for the most part I think you’re pretty much right, I am left with vague long-standing memories of right-wing dictatorships and authoritarian governments at various times around the world who demonised, imprisoned and mistreated their people in most extreme ways. So it’s not only the left who behaves that way. Unbridled monopolistic capitalism can be just as totalitarian in its own way to the people and the markets it controls.
      It seems to me that the struggle is not simply between right and left, but also between extremism and moderation, right and wrong, good and bad, reason and bigotry. At the present time, obviously, it is the left in all its forms which presents the most extreme and present danger to our civilisation.
      I imagine a huge round table, with our opponents seated at the far side. Move to the centre-right and you still might be reasonably safe. Move to the centre-left and you will be on dodgy ground. But move too far to the left or to the right and you will end up in the same place on the opposite side, with the extremists.

      • Lawrence Newman

        How do you define extreme right though? Rules per se aren’t bad if they are good for the collective. The main problem here is the establishment espouses a belief system called equality but reneges on the deal continually.

        • Partridge

          There’s hardly any difference between the extreme right and the extreme left. People will recognise the extremism when it hits them, from whichever direction it comes..

          • Lawrence Newman

            What gets called far right nowadays by the fake news media, is normality. For example, disagreeing with, say, gay adoptionmarriage, women on the front line and third world immigration is not extreme in any way. It’s simply traditional rules that work. They are utilitarian for the national group.

          • Busy Mum

            Exactly. Mainstream has become the new extreme, and the extremists in power, who have made it that way, are determined to keep it that way because it is the only way they can stay in power.

    • You did indeed nail it. And until we’re willing to get down in the mud and fight it, we won’t win it. Why are we starting to, here? Kurt Schlichter has figured out a large part of it.

      http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/02/13/shoving-alinskys-rules-for-radicals-right-back-in-the-lefts-ugly-face-n2284892

      He also links to this, which is also important.

      http://ace.mu.nu/archives/368084.php

  • Bik Byro

    I see that Abbott is out again today claiming god knows what. At least we can still call her a racist, a hypocrite and a liar.

    • North Angle

      We should advertise that fact on buses. Where is the outrage from the left for Abbopotamus’ racism towards white people? Nowhere, as always. But then she has three passes to use – she’s left-wing; she’s black; and she’s a woman.

      I expect if she claimed she had a close personal friend at Hillsborough and actually didn’t, she wouldn’t be treated like Nuttall. As it happens I did have a close personal friend at Hillsborough, a Forest supporter, who saw it all happen.

      • TheRightToArmBears

        The BBC have a couple of agendas to run today.
        First, they are using every shred of tittle-tattle they can find to halt UKIP’s progress in Stoke and Copeland.
        Second, they are anxious to airbrush away, blaming someone else, their own complicity in the establishment’s fixing the blame for Hillsborough on the Liverpool fans. The BBC colluded with the government and the police to keep the truth being aired, just as they knew what Saville and Cyril Smith were up to.
        I hate the BBC for what they have done and for what they are.

        • Bik Byro

          Why would the left wing BBC collude with a conservative government?

          • gildedtumbril

            To protect their extortion, of course.

      • Labour_is_bunk

        What did he say, or wouldn’t it get past the moderators?

        • North Angle

          Let’s put it this way: I’d be banned from Liverpool.

          • James Chilton

            Banned for speaking the truth?

      • Bill

        Four passes – she’s also as thick as a half-brick.

  • MrVeryAngry

    I am very fond of my late father’s staple description of less than fragrant ladies – ‘old trout’. He would think, as I do, that la Abbot is just such.

    • Craig Martin

      Old Trout.

      I have not heard that one for ages.
      Time for a reappearance.

      • MrVeryAngry

        Good init?

      • Burntout Aussie

        We have a Lady personage with that handle on going-postal.net.

        She is a lovely mathematician and not fishy at all. . .

  • flipant

    just ignore her

  • North Angle

    It’s simple really. The left want to control free speech so that it isn’t, actually, free.

    The ultimate goal of the left is to close down free speech so that people who dare to question their ideologies can no longer do so. Political correctness is at the heart of that, and it gets worse every year; it’s a way to control the people as it is yet another branch of cultural marxism. It’s why everything is racist these days, everything is sexist, everything is some kind of issue.

    I loathe political correctness with all my being.

    • Fubar2

      “The ultimate goal of the left is to close down free speech so that people who dare to question their ideologies can no longer do so.”

      Yep. Spot on.

      • Speedy

        The essence of the lefty-liberal psychosis is not, as they pretend, to control one’s own life, but to control the lives of everyone else.

    • Colonel Mustard

      Neuro-linguistic programming. In last week’s Speccie, Jeremy Clarke writes about something called E-prime “a radical new method of writing English that abdures the verb ‘to be’ because it deifies the writer’s identity and opinions.” So a statement of the obvious must be qualified as only being the writer’s “system of metaphysics”. A sort of compulsory relativism. Its proponents believe that changing the structure of language can radically alter the structure of the human brain.

      In the Korean war it was simply called brainwashing and involved coercing people to believe in an unreality for the purposes of compelling conformity to a singular political dogma.

      And of course the dominant proposition in all of this is left wing political dogma which is excused the constraints it likes to impose on everyone else.

      • North Angle

        “Its proponents believe that changing the structure of language can radically alter the structure of the human brain.”

        Well, they’re right there; language modifies the brain, which is why they try to control our speech so much. When certain words are banned (the “to be”), or their usage changed (such as they way they’ve made gender to mean sex), our brains change to stop ourselves using them without even thinking about it. It takes a conscious effort to revert to old behaviour.

        The left is the greatest threat to our civilisation. If it carries on as it has been, the west will be gone within a few years and 1984 will be a reality. Well, to be honest, what’s more likely is that the mohammedans will take over, but that’s a discussion for another day…

        • Adrian Johnson

          The now-inevitable rise of Islam in Europe will in a couple of generations cure the left of its political correctness, feminism, green and LGBT politics in the same way as beheading cures a headache.

        • Bik Byro

          Neuro linguistic programming is crank pseudoscience, up there with palmistry and copper bracelets for rheumatism.

      • Bik Byro

        Yesterday : world expert on Gothic architecture
        Today : world expert in neuro-linguistic programming
        Tomorrow : boring us all to tears yet again with your world famous expertise on something else despite the fact that you’ve achieved so little in life.

        • Colonel Mustard

          I wrote nothing about Gothic architecture yesterday. That was “Snoffle Gronch” whose comments about that particular subject you were heckling.

          “Woman at home” nailed you perfectly when she wrote:-

          “Bik Byro’s whole raison d’être is hounding comments with determined
          sneering. Don’t think he has anything else to do. Sad really.”

          • Bik Byro

            Here you are pontificating your vast non-expertise http://disq.us/p/1g63b0g
            Your whole raison d’être is look at people’s posts, quickly Google the topic and then copy and paste something to try and show that you’re not really a failure in life. We can all see through it. Sad really.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Not really, because that is not what I do and failure in life is a subjective concept. However you were sbsolutely WRONG about the Gothic architecture and no amount of desperate smearing on your part will change that.

        • gildedtumbril

          You are ungallant Monsieur. I find the Colonel’s contributions interesting.

          • Bik Byro

            Mais oui.

          • Colonel Mustard

            En fait aussi froid que la glace . . .

          • Colonel Mustard

            I thank you.

      • Nockian

        Primacy of consciousness over existence. Remove the ‘I’ and create a collective consciousness of ‘we’. No one therefore has a physical, nor a conscious identity. That’s how cults work, as ably demonstrated by the Star Trek story ‘Borg’ – note how Captain Picard still feels the pull towards immersion after rescue.

        Isn’t this what we are really fighting against ? Those that feel so withered in spirt that they wish to give up their identities just to stop them feeling so bad and that it is those who strive to succeed, who demand freedom and identity that are the threat.

        Isn’t that what all the ‘jock vs nerd’ films portray-particularly the karate kid who acts like a violent thug, but is seen as the moral hero of a tale to win acceptance and have the succesful submit to his will. This is what all those loud mouthed ugly women are doing when they talk about feminism. They want to destroy the beautiful for being the beautiful so that they no longer feel so bad about themselves.

        • lordlindley

          I have used the description of the word Borg for the left since Blair took office and it just gets worse and worse. We are free thinking and cannot all think alike, that is the Human condition that separates us from wild beasts. Control by PC methods and brain control/washing is a thing of extreme right, or left?

          • Nockian

            It’s a thing of those who don’t live and produce independently. It’s a thing for those who get their self esteem secondhand and their produce by theft. As long as everyone in the group is willing to sacrifice to everyone else, then it will justify any and all kinds of evil against those outside of it.

      • gildedtumbril

        You are right, Colonel. Left wing is all bollox.

  • Colonel Mustard

    The ugliest thing about Abbott is her ideology.

    In the silo world of the Left’s identy group politics it is unacceptable for men to be rude about women as men represent the oppressive patriarchy and the rudeness is therefore an aggression, verbalised violence against women. Soon it will be a criminal offence, like wolf whistling.

    “Pale, male and stale”? Perfectly ok, even in Parliament.

    • Nockian

      We should leave them to it. They will eat their young if we stop minding the sand pit.

      • TheRightToArmBears

        Ah, the sand pit.
        The Psamead would know what to do with them.
        But that was in Victorian England, and we were English in tose days.

        • Nockian

          England like the USA was an idea, a concept, but virtually nothing remains of it and those that believe they keep it aflame are merely ethnic tribalists that never grasped the principles, only the name.

          • Cassandra

            England, if you recall, was named after the English people. not the other way around.

            There has been an attempt in recent years ( by the usual suspects) to redefine England as a ‘credal ‘ nation.

            The notion is that one can wipe out all the ethnic traditions of one of the world’s most ancient nation states almost overnight by altering the meaning of words, such as ‘English’. We no longer define ourselves ethnically we are told but by our adherence to certain ‘values’. Where these values come from, or why we should adhere to them is not disclosed.

            As the native British exit the immigrant areas foisted on them by the political class, let’s see how far this agenda works.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Perfect tripe. It is not those who wish to keep it “aflame” who never grasped the principles of its identity but those who wish to see it swamped to non-existence. It is their imperative, especially if they happen to be English, which warrants scrutiny. Very often they are not English but have antecedent and historic axes to grind.

            Do you, I wonder, call the Scots, Irish or Welsh “ethnic tribalists”?

          • Nockian

            Of course they are tribalists. Look at all the attempts made to retain cultural tradition such as the Welsh language.

            What constitutes a civilisation is not clinging to traditions, but the idea of freedom, property and laws applicable to everyone. Every politician spews forth this British values bollox about tolerance and fairness, but that is not what England was about, indeed it was about the freedom to be intolerant and unfair.

            If an idea, a service, a product is good, it is because it is valued here and now, not because it is traditional. Folk music, art and dancing might well be quaint, but they pale beside Beethoven, Mozart, Russian ballet and Michelangelo. We aren’t about rejecting what is good, nor should we retain what is poor by comparison because tradition dictates it. Something isn’t better for being old, entrenched, traditional and nothing can make it so.

            I see we are arguing once again 🙂 I like your arguments even if I don’t agree with you, you are sincere and genuine.

  • AnotherOldBoy

    Stoutism has long been recognised as inappropriate. Here is a discussion from the early 1980s: https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/paul-t-horgan-calling-diane-abbott-fat-ugly-not-sexist/

    • AnotherOldBoy
      • Rob

        As I’m a very lazy skinny old chap that has do all my own cooking, I would be quite supportive of the Rowen Atkinson character’s demands for a law “to force-feed skinnies”. Next week’s discussion on “Nazi’s versus Fascists” would also be of some intellectual interest.

  • Fubar2

    ” To believe The Guardian and the New Statesman, Labour is set to hold the seat.”
    Not just them. The entire MSM, more like.

    • TheRightToArmBears

      Didn’t the Guardian and the New Statesman predict that remain would win the referendum and that Clinton would be the 45th POTUS?
      Have they got a horse for Aintree?

      • gildedtumbril

        Will it have three legs?

    • Cassandra

      The MSM said that Clinton had a 90% chance of winning on polling day,

  • Cassandra

    Suggestions that Diane Abbott is fat and ugly aren’t derogatory, if that means ‘to take away from’. They are accurate.

    • Paul Williams

      …..and similar to Keith Vaz, she gets a free pass because she’s perceived to be a ‘victim’ of white, male oppression. Absolutely no proof of this exists, of course, but if you don’t buy into it, you are yourself an oppressor.

      • Bill

        Keith Vazeline getting away with it is simply outrageous.

    • Rob

      “Diane Abbott is fat and ugly.” Not wholly accurate. Your description commits a great sin – the sin of omission – she is also very stupid and hypocritical.

      • TheRightToArmBears

        And sorely missed by her homeland which could do with her expertise in every subject with which she tells us we are doing it wrong.

      • Adrian Johnson

        Humm.
        In Texas there was once a woman who looked very much like Diane Abbott named Barbara Jordan. Unlike the Abbottopotamus, Jordan was intelligent, self-educated in the well-read sense; courageous and honest and truly tolerant of people who disagreed with her, and/or called her fat and ugly) and she became the first black woman elected to the US Congress. When she died, after years of distinguished public service, even her enemies mourned because she was a great statesman and made her fellow Texans of all races proud of her.
        Ugly is only skin deep; hypocrisy or integrity goes to the bone. Abraham Lincoln is surely one of the ugliest white men God ever made. But most Americans think of him as honesty personified, and would not beautify or change one wart of his homely face on their $5 notes.
        The Abbotapotamus could grow a spine, care about her country and her constituents more than her Party, and people would no longer notice that she’s fat and ugly. Her choice.

        • Rob

          “The Abbotapotamus could grow a spine, care about her country and her constituents more than her Party”
          Sorry, but you’re wrong. It’s well-known in Zoological circles that an Abbotapotamus (especially the sub-species Abbotapotamus-politicus) cannot change its spots or grow a spine.

        • TheRightToArmBears

          Her country is not this country.
          She would like to bring every African here and then she’d regard it as her country.

        • Barbara Jordan was one of the greatest American politicians of the 20th century. What a powerful rhetoric she was! I have yet to see a politician of her class in this century.

        • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Ah, yes, Cong. Barbara Jordan.
          She was soon followed by Shirley Chisholm, a Caribbean-American, who was thin and ugly, and a true mediocrity.
          And today, there is Sheila Jackson-Lee, who thought the Apollo astronauts landed on Mars. Compounding this truly abysmal knowledge of the space programme is the fact that she represents Houston in Congress, with undoubtedly many NASA employees as constituents. “Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Congresswoman…”

          • Amen, not to mention uneducated.

          • Adrian Johnson

            Alas, Texas has its own sub-species of Abbottopotami wallowing in the bayous. . . . 🙂

      • Choam Nomski

        and racist.

      • Cassandra

        Mea Culpa, I do apologise for my grievous error.

        • Rob

          OK, I’ll accept your apology (this time) even though, given your name, I clearly can’t believe a word you say! But don’t let it happen again because I won’t be so generous next time.

  • Paul Williams

    ‘We are living in an age of internet-induced mass psychosis.’

    Superbly put. Hysteria is replacing reason at an alarming rate. Maybe that has always been there, but the internet has certainly amplified it a thousand fold.

    • Philip Meikle

      yep, the current american hysteria over trump is a prime example. He has only done things pretty much every republican president before him has done and he is being crucified for it. The whole outrage over the general resigining is again a prime example of facts being twisted to give the lefts agenda preseidence. The general did nothing illegal, he resigned becasue he lied to the vice president about subject matter and made the VP look like a fool.

      • Cassandra

        Trump identified the mass media as the enemy. He is absolutely correct. CNN is a joke. The rest of the broadcasters with the exception of Fox from to time, The Washington Post, The New York Times…..anti Trump mouthpieces the lot of them. And then there is the BBC,,,,,

        • Philip Meikle

          Oh god the BBC, have canceled my licensce and refuse to what that tripe anymore.

    • Speedy

      The vanity of the liberal left has created an infantile response to just about everything that confronts us in the world today.

      Virtue signalling is the default mode of the chattering classes, and the sort of robust realism which is so desperately required is in short supply. The virtue signaller is uninterested in the truth.

    • TheRightToArmBears

      Internet-induced mass psychosis sourced and embellished by ‘reports’ and ‘research’ by ‘charities’, ‘experts’, ‘focus groups’, ‘think-tanks’, who ‘find that’, ‘say that’ ‘their findings’ establish that ‘someone’ is ‘doing something wrong.’
      And, of course, they should be given more taxpayers’ money to continue their vital work.

      • Bik Byro

        Seriously, you need to take your medication and lie down.

        • gildedtumbril

          Not with Abbott, I hope.

          • Bik Byro

            At the risk of causing offence to the Twitterati, no thank you

  • Ed Cleggband

    well its only hysteria because lazy news outlets report on “social media reactions” as if they are somehow quantitative or qualitative measures of news, newsworthiness.

    lets see headline tomorrow that says 335,876,987 people in the U.S. DO NOT sign an online petition/facebook page/re-tweet to impeach Preident Trump,

  • markbrev

    Davis didn’t actually call Abbott fat or ugly, her merely stated (to a friend/colleague) ‘I’m not blind.’, hinting that he found her unattractive. That she may be physically unattractive to him is surely his own opinion and nobody’s business but his? That she may be fat, racist and a hypocrite are undeniable facts, but as to whether she is ugly or not is down to the personal opinion of the person looking at her.

    • TheRightToArmBears

      We are not allowed to have opinions of our own these days.
      Anyone on the left may be offended/triggered/hurt/insulted by an averted gaze, let alone a remark, by anyone on the far-right, which means anyone disapproved of by anyone on the left, who will be regarded as in the right unless they are discovered to have supported Kate Hoey or Frank Field.

      • Mike Hunt

        I think Corbyn used to date her ! Imagine them two getting it on , new class of film horror porn

        • TheRightToArmBears

          Pillow talk – reading Das Kapital to each other.

        • Ben Bow

          Corbyn bragged about it and invited his ‘lefty ‘ pals to see her in his bed ‘au naturel ‘ while his group in attendance ogled his bed-mate.

        • gildedtumbril

          Pervert horror porn, surely?

          • Adrian Johnson

            Socialist propaganda horror porn !

    • Nockian

      She is ugly according to classical aesthetic criteria.

      • TheRightToArmBears

        Isn’t the Royal Opera Company being pressed to cast her as Mimi in their next production of La Boheme?
        That would tick all their quotas for the next hundred years, or until Muslims are a majority.

      • markbrev

        Tut tut. You must know that the classical aesthetic criteria was invented by white European males, therefore is both racist and sexist. 10 demerits for having such bourgeoisie thoughts comrade!

        • Nockian

          Damn it.

        • Ben Bow

          mark – does having your wife sporting a dinner plate ensconced in her lower lip turn you on?

          • markbrev

            I fear you took my later point to Nockian seriously, rather than in jest at the expense of the left as it was intended. All the same, my original point stands. Standards of beauty (or otherwise) are personal and in the eye of the beholder. Yes culture and race do come in to it (those tribes tribes who pierce their lips with pottery or stretch their necks with brass rings are prime examples) and I’m sure that to some, Ms Abbott may be a good looking woman. Myself, I don’t particularly like piercings full stop and with regard to Ms Abbott’s looks, she looks like she fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down, but that is just an opinion.

          • Adrian Johnson

            My sympathies are with the tree.

      • Bill

        Correct – and stupid according to contemporary standards of intellectual ability.

        • Adrian Johnson

          That standard, like the Kelvin thermometer, uses negative numbers.

      • Ben Bow

        CORRECT

    • Ben Bow

      Plenty of her brethren find her more appealing than Ginger Rogers, Merlina Mercouri, and dare I say it . . than the late
      Princess of Wales

  • corinium

    Presumably calling Diane Abbot fat and ugly is sexist in the same way calling Nicolas Soames fat and ugly is sexist (and he’s definitely been called that multiple time by Leftist ‘comedians’)

    • Ben Bow

      Absolutely – remember when some ‘wag’ said having sex with the RH was was like having a hanging cupboard fall on one . . .with the key still in place?
      The MAN took it in good humour.

  • Nockian

    Its just more proof, if such were needed, that the world is becoming ever more irrational.

  • Frankfurt 13

    You missed out ‘stupid’.

  • Benthic

    How about bulbous, surely thats more polite?

    • TheRightToArmBears

      How about in French, the language of romance, de trop?

  • James Chilton

    This side of an androgynous paradise, and as its definition becomes more elastic, “sexism” will always exist. It is inevitable.

    • gildedtumbril

      Sexism will be eliminated once the mandatory transgenderisation of everyone is implemented by the govt. on the orders of the eu. I will refuse to comply.

  • How can it be sexist to call Dianne Abbot fat and ugly? She is undeniably severely overweight. And probably not many men are tempted to whack off by the thought of Dianne Abbot naked. It’s not sexist. It’s a fact.

    • ethanedwards2002

      It’s accurate nonetheless. She is dreadful in every sense.

  • Patrick Selden

    The modern “progressive” liberal-left is not a movement for equality; it is a resentful, totalitarian drive for supremacy, and it scares the living cr*p out of little old socially conservative me. I hate its hysterical hypocrisy with a passion.

  • Bogbrush

    I left comments to this effect on Guido; people were piling into Snell but they are wrong.

    To call Diane Abbot fat is rude and accurate but it isn’t sexist.

    • Ben Bow

      It is factual . . accept that

      • Bogbrush

        I…… think I was saying that.

  • The Buttscratcher Jimmy

    In the words of the great Spock!

    “Disregard Emotion, acquire Logic.”

    The left need to do this before the disappear up their own backsides.

  • Andy

    She is fat, ugly and nasty. She also has a foul mouth on her, as David Davis found out.

    • Pozieres

      You missed out stupid.

      • Andy

        I was being charitable. God knows why.

    • Bill

      Who was the female Labour MP who told Diane to her face to f off? Clue – her first name is Jess.

  • Burntout Aussie

    Strewth Bruce. . . are you all saying that us blokes now have to be nice to any Sheila, no matter how daft they act / deport themselves in the public arena ?. . .

    • Labour_is_bunk

      I think you mean “desport” (to make a public show of oneself).

      If only she could deport herself………

    • Ben Bow

      . . or, if their butocks are wider than their shoulders . . . isn’t that why her kind are reputed to have generously proportioned genitalia simply to achieve penetration?

    • gildedtumbril

      She’ll be right.( Showing off my knowledge of Aussie vernacular)

  • Personally, I think that whenever personal comments get into political discourse, it is a sign of having a weak argument and nothing constructive to say. I haven’t read the alleged comments, but regardless of who the target is, male or female, Labour or Conservative, I am not a supporter of the “I don’t like the way you look” childishness. It is possible to criticize someone based on what they have done or not done.

    • WFC

      The Davis comment wasn’t for “political discourse”, it was a private text.

      He was asked by a colleague if he had tried to kiss Diane Abbott, and his reply was to deny it, adding “I’m not blind”.

      • A lousy comment, but should be ignored.

        • Mojo

          Whilst I believe it is not a good idea to make personal attacks on anyone. I actually laughed out loud when I read this comment because I could see where he was coming from. Diane Abbott is a very unpleasant human being and extremely arrogant to boot. I wouldn’t want to kiss her hahahahaha. I certainly think for her to take offence is a bit rich when she sat on a special Question Time panel a couple of days after The Referendum and accused 17.4 million people of being uneducated and rascist. As did Anna Soubry and Alex Salmond. None of them apologised for this insult and it wasn’t even said in jest.

        • ratcatcher11

          Whose comment was lousy? When is the truth a lousy comment?

    • gildedtumbril

      Pfffft.

  • Snell strikes me as just a very unpleasant man who should really turn off his television and go out and experience the world a little. But you’re right, it’s not sexist to be just generally nasty. If he *only* does this to women, it’s evidence of an underlying sexism, which is his problem and makes him a rather sad little man.

    On the other hand, it’s always funny to see one of the other side get hoist by their own holier-than-thou petard.

    • Gareth Snell is a dreadful candidate. Yet even he is going to beat Paul Nuttall. Think on. Meanwhile, an ostensibly triumphalistic Theresa May was in Copeland yesterday. Four times, she declined to guarantee the local hospital’s threatened maternity ward. She also failed to guarantee the Moorside nuclear power station, unlike even Jeremy Corbyn. It ain’t over till it’s over. Then, if the Thin Lady still sang, then it would be a very different tune from yesterday’s.

      As a worst case scenario, no one suggests fewer than 150 Labour MPs, ever, including in 2020. We all know where they would be. That would mean Official Opposition status, with everything that followed from that, just as at present. No one else except the Conservatives could ever begin to dream of 150 seats. Meanwhile, the next Parliament will contain no UKIP MPs. At all. Labour and the Conservatives are permanent. Everything else comes and goes around them. And UKIP, which barely came, is about to go. The deaths of both major parties have been predicted many times, including by me. But believe in either of them when you see it, and not one second before.

      • workingclassbrexiter

        Actually if the boundary changes go though it could be less than 100, I wonder if th I libdems could win 30? Back

        • The Lib Dems are going to win dozens of Remain seats in the South that are currently held by the Tories, yes. A hung Parliament is coming, for that reason.

          • workingclassbrexiter

            Even if true,about libdems the Tories will win hundreds more

          • They only have to lose very few for there to be a hung Parliament. They certainly won’t pick any up. Their failure to win Copeland will prove that 2015 was their upper limit.

          • workingclassbrexiter

            And you don’t think, that labour will lose any seats ,let alone the ones labour won,by getting ex libdems votes and Ukip splitting the Tory vote

          • No. The Lib Dem threat is to the Tories in the Remain heartlands of the South, and UKIP is now one week away from oblivion.

          • workingclassbrexiter

            But the labour threat from the Tories up north

          • There isn’t one. The Tories will always be untouchable in most of the North, no matter what they ever say or do, but simply for being the Tories. If they can’t win Copeland, which they barely failed to win before the allegedly disliked Jeremy Corbyn came along, then they simply can’t win here, and that’s that.

      • I don’t remember making an argument about the state of any party.

        I would say however that your contention that UKIP “barely came” is a bit wide of the mark, given that without ever getting anywhere near power, with never more than 2 MPs and the constant screeching condemnation of the entire political and media class, the party first forced a referendum on Europe and then won it. UKIP changed the course of history. It will possibly do so again if it wins in Stoke.

        • UKIP had nothing to do with the referendum. Nothing.

  • Drax Cog

    Agreed, there is a double standard in the media where someone like Trump is fair game and is made fun of for his hair (Implying he’s balding or already bald and had treatment) or has small hands (Implying he has a small penis).

    Diane Abbott comes cross as having a victim complex, I remember when her children’s private education was brought up and she made that out to be a race issue too.

    • Pozieres

      I remember that too. Absolutely preposterous. Whenever she finds herself in trouble she reaches for the race card. If that one doesn’t work, there is always the misogyny/feminism card.

    • ratcatcher11

      Harriet Harman also played the wimmin card when comments were made about her children’s private education.

  • Vera

    She is being sent to the Brexit north and midlands to bring these voters over to Labour – Good Luck with that Einstein.

    • Guardian’s Quitter

      She’s taking Chairman Maodonnell with her. That three quid is proving to be one of the best investments I ever made.

      • DrNo

        My 3 quid too!
        But shhh… 🙂

        • Guardian’s Quitter

          Nah, I let them know on CiF.

    • RPM

      She had better watch out in Hartlepool, they have got form up there.

    • Adrian Johnson

      If Labour had any Machiavellian chops, they would send the Abbotapotamus as a double-agent to campaign for the Tories– that would drive the constituency to Labour in the same desperation that drove many Democrats, Libertarians, and Republicans to escape Hillary by voting for Trump.

  • Guardian’s Quitter

    ”White people love playing ‘divide & rule'”. This is of course perfectly acceptable.

  • Hampsteadpinko

    It’s true!
    ‘Nuff said.

    • And the truth stands on it’s own, while lies need legions of supporters.

  • Malcolm

    When Ms Abbott sees fit to apologise for some of the blatantly racist comments she has directed towards white people in the past then she may, just, be entitled to complain about people making unkind remarks about her. I cannot understand how many people seem unable to grasp that rudeness cuts both ways. Is it stupidity, hypocrisy or something else?

    • King Arfur 1st

      I believe a combination of the first two

    • Adrian Johnson

      “Double-speak” in Orwellian terms. Only in this case, “Black woman speak with forked tongue”, to adapt the old phrase of the Native Americans

  • Egmund

    Can you imagine that dancing on Corbyn’s lungs? I reckon the trauma she inflicted upon his spindly form is why he’s gone mad,

  • JonBW

    On the other hand, as conservatives, we might recognise the desirability of old-fashioned good manners….

    I’d much rather my representatives stuck to put downs along the lines of Healey on Howe (‘like being savaged by a dead sheep’) or Thatcher on Kinnock (‘the Rt. Hon. Gentleman does not seem to entirely the master of his brief’).

    • I would too. The problem is that it doesn’t work. We tried it ever since Reagan, and lost every time, until now, when we fought back with all weapons. You can be nice, or you can win. Although the above examples are effective, and well said, even polite, they are as venomous as anything ever said even on the American right.

  • Mojo

    Unfortunately there is no sense of humour on the left. They are bullies by nature and very thin skinned. There was no need for David Davis to apologise or indeed for Theresa May to apologise to Lady Nugee. However, it shows up MPs in a bad light. Many have very poor manners and have brought parliament into disgrace. It is also shameful that some of our Establishment and celebrity culture have set such a low standard of behaviour it is now seen to be filtering down to some of the younger generation. The grandstanding, screeching and verbal abuse coming from these socialists is seen as normal. Most of us are appalled by these people and see them as nothing more than uninformed bullies.

    When I look back at Mary Whitehouse losing her battle to clean up the BBC and much of the media, I do wonder if that was just the beginning of this insidious, vicious infiltration of liberalism. We just didn’t fight hard enough for maintaining standards when we perhaps should have done.

    • AnusRodendum

      Of course there is no humour on the Left. Socialist Labour camps were never comedy central.

      • alecto

        Aint that the truth! It a sure sign one is getting older when one constantly refers back to the good old days when humour was a part of our daily lives and when the BBC really did entertain us with a host of comedy shows and excellent comedians and then suddenly it all disappeared! There is absolutely nothing to thank these liberal progressives for – absolutely nothing at all – the world is a more miserable and angry place because of them.

  • Chris L. Christensen

    Well, she is fat and ugly. The Truth is sometimes very hard to deal with and is never popular.

    • Redrose82

      You forgot thick and a hypocrite or in her case hippocrit.

  • Lawrence Newman

    Can you get on BBC1 and say this?

    • DrNo

      I pledge a hundred pounds to anyone who can

  • Paul Jackson

    Oh I DO hope that this isn’t sexist, but in that photo she looks like Robert Mugabe in a wig.

  • gildedtumbril

    There is some suspicion that Abbot may be Whoopi’s sister.

  • ratcatcher11

    If Diane Abbott pitched headlong down the stairs most men would jump clear before helping her to her feet. Is this sexism or simply self preservation I wonder?

    • weirdvisions

      No need to help her. With all that blubber she’d bounce.

  • DrNo

    I have just read an account of the Six Day War. There was a telling little bit of eyewitness testimony in it.

    The Voice Of the Arabs Radio station had been broadcasting news of Arab victories for days, claiming the Israelis had been destroyed, and that Tel Aviv was on the verge of falling. An old Palestinian man was being evacuated from Jerusalem and out of the West Bank by the victorious Israelis, and had a radio in his hand that was shouting out this false propaganda. He threw the radio away in disgust.

    That must be what it is like for a left-winger these days. To hear the shouting of all your self-righteous comrades, to be so convinced you are winning, and to somehow see defeat overtake you completely.

    They just don’t get it. And they won’t get it, for many years to come.

    • Corblimey

      The Arab propensity for lies was used as a strategic weapon against them during the brilliant Israeli campaigns against the Egyptians.

      • DrNo

        Correct.

        It enabled the Israelis to keep fighting and gaining territory while the Arabs at the UN refused to demand a ceasefire because they believed their own propaganda.

        The Jordanians even believed the waves of aircraft on their radar that were returning to Israel after bombing Egypt were actually Egyptian bombers on their way to bomb Israel, so they didn’t send out interceptors which could have engaged the Israeli aircraft while they were low on fuel.

        How much deeply buried popularity will the conservatives gain while the left remain so entranced by their own propaganda?

  • Alexis

    I don’t know exactly what was in David Davis’ text to Dianne Abbot; but the connection to her unconvincing migraine excuse for not voting as directed by the Labour leader to the childish jibe about her not competing for Miss Universe 2018, ie her personal appearance, is unfathomable. It was a playground insult unworthy of David Davis and nothing to do with her militant hypocrisy and playing of the race card. Unfortunately he has plummeted in my estimation by sinking to the low level of the “left”.

    • Paul Jackson

      Bloody hell spare us the hysterics!
      Abbott’s continuous playing of the race and gender cards are pretty childish too and I can fully understand the temptation to resort to ad hominem attacks, when any attempt to get through to someone with rational arguments is blocked by their crass stupidity and arrogance.

    • It is a pity, because he ought to have gone on a point of principle, and he was expected to do so. But his conduct towards Diane Abbott has made the position of David Davis untenable. When the defeat of UKIP at Stoke Central has marked the end of any pretence that the British political spectrum extended any further right than, say, George Osborne, then the fatally wounded Davis will be counting the days. Like that of the scandalous Liam Fox, Davis’s office exists only because, while Boris Johnson had to be given something, he could not be given anything important. Johnson has responsibility neither for international trade nor for relations with the EU. What, exactly, does this Foreign Secretary do?

      Abbott, meanwhile, has spent this week attaining a status not far from that which was enjoyed by the late Queen Mother. Can you imagine that something like Newzoids will now depict her, if at all, then in anything other than the gentlest, and even the most downright affectionate, of ways? Never mind the BBC or Channel 4. Anything else will be confined to the comments threads of the worst right-wing websites. And after the result at Stoke Central, who will even read those websites anymore?

      • Under-the-weather

        Because Davis texted a friend that he isn’t blind?
        Very funny..ha ha ha

      • Imran Khan

        David. You are an apologist for anything lefty and nobody takes you seriously.

  • Friends! Hard-Right, racist elements are constantly attacking Our Diane, claiming – outrageously – that she is yet another whining, sanctimonious, hypocritical Labour politician, who is widely and justifiably held in total contempt, not because of the colour of her skin but because of the content of her character, plus the fact that she has unscrupulously played the race card throughout what is laughingly described as her “political career”!

    But there is one quality that Diane possesses that even her fiercest detractors cannot possibly deny.

    She is, friends, a – literally – heavyweight politician.

    • By the Left Lion

      So friend Lefty, literally a fat c**t.

      • Friend Lion! I fear that that – literally – cannot be denied.

    • weirdvisions

      Well if she ever gets voted out of office they can always use her as a door stop in the HoC.

  • Corblimey

    She is all wimmin, I want her huge buttocks in alabaster, on the fifth plinth for our tourist’s edification.

  • Imran Khan

    The leading apologist for Ms Abbott at the moment is Simon Woolley of Operation Black Vote. What exactly is a black vote I hear you ask. I don’t know, does anyone? He is the last man standing from the mass of Livingstone financed corruption headed by the late and entirely unlamented Lee Jasper exposed by Andrew Gilligan in the London Evening Standard starting back in Dev 2007.

    Gilligan made reference to a London Development Agency funded group called Black Londoners Forum which had managed to disappear £320 000 of Londoner’s money. I did some further checking and found that the company was chaired for its existence by Simon Woolley and had as another director the famous Karen Chouhan who Jasper wanted to ” Honey glaze” ( sic ) after awarding here hundreds of thousands of pounds.

    The company lived for all its existence in the OBV office at 18 Victoria Park Square Bethnal Green and was of course an outright fraud in which Woolley was at the centre. £320K ladies and gentlemen of Londoner’s money and all the world is racist.

  • Trojan

    People used to vote for a politician called the Lancashire lard mountain. The description did not seem to harm him

    • Imran Khan

      If you speak of Cyril Smith he harmed a lot of children.

      • Trojan

        Yes correct, but they still voted for him and as I recall, things were widely talked about.

  • Rob

    Sorry but diane abbot has no credibility.
    She lost it( for me) when she rallied in support of state schools, but refused to explain why she sent her son to a private school.

    there is a reason why she is lampooned on “dead ringers” for her behavior on the “daily politics” show.

    Its easy to complain about derogatory comments about you, but its hypocritical when you stays silent on others receiving the same treatment because they are not a member of your own party or part of your own knee jerk circle hug.

    … the migrainegate, seriously? one of the most important issues affecting the country and you choose a migraine to avoid your obligatory representation that you were elected for.

    • weirdvisions

      Migraine is lefty newspeak for yellow streak a mile wide (or in Abbott’s case ten miles wide) down one’s back.

      • Rob

        ah you’re right there !
        its a disservice to the electorate, because regardless of which side you take on brexit you expect your MPs to have the courage to pick a side and fight for it rather than slink off like a coward.

  • John Shakespeare

    I’m afraid you have forgotten or overlooked the fact that Mrs Thatcher does not count as a woman. She was a cultural man, and therefore legitimately open to all and any abuse. It’s the same as the fact that only white people can be racists and only men can be sexists. I do wish you would sort out your ideology.