In response to Kathy Gyngell: The No campaign is heading for defeat, ButcombeMan wrote:

Mrs Gyngell is being too pessimistic.

Remember the EU elections. Remember the 4 million who voted Ukip at the general election. Consider what the turnout might be. Consider who has the most incentive to turn out. Consider how the migrant flood could continue to develop. Consider how many people and what sort of people will care nothing at all about the issue and just will not turn out. Remember the hidden groundswell of otherwise Labour voters whose interests are in getting out. Consider that Corbyn may be Labour leader; he is no enthusiast for Europe.

Remember that as soon as Cameron starts telling the nation to vote for staying in the political union, voters will KNOW he is misleading them. His lips will be moving.

He is just not trusted.

He is only PM because of TINA. He is no great leader.

Thousands voted Tory in the General Election whose heart was with Ukip. So the vote will be much more like the EU election than a general election.

Think about all the other dinosaurs (regularly and repeatedly wrong about the euro) who will move to support Cameron, none of them trusted either.

Relics of another era – Hesletine, Clarke, Blair and so on – back to the dawn of time. They did not understand then about the intellectual incoherence of the euro; they do not understand now.

Greece is not over either and the Mediterranean countries are still bleeding, their people suffering.

A lot could yet happen.

“Events”, as SuperMac said.

I want my country back.

It will be far closer than Kathy predicts.