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In response to Kathy Gyngell: Jacob Rees-Mogg, are you letting us all down?, AR Devine wrote:

I’m an Irish citizen with strong family ties to Britain where I have lived for years and hope to return. I am utterly dismayed at the tone and temper the Irish government have been taking towards Britain regarding Brexit. The UK is Ireland’s biggest trading partner, not to mention the unique ties of culture, history and family with Britain that we don’t have with any country on the continent. The EU has treated Ireland abysmally in recent years. It has ceased to be a free trade body and should be scrapped. Don’t get me started about Fintan O’Toole. This is an Orwell Prize-winning writer who recently stated on Irish TV that free speech was sacrosanct but that at the same time we must protect people from hurtful speech. Orwell was a free speech absolutist and even more absurdly O’Toole was engaging in doublethink straight out of 1984.


  1. “EU has treated Ireland abysmally “.
    That is what has always puzzled me with the Brexit negotiations i.e. why is Ireland so aligned with the EU? All the more so when Ireland has experienced EU arrogance in the past and are bound to experience it again in the future.

    • Same reason as our own political elite. They love the EU project despite its terrible flaws and all hope for cushy jobs in Brussels one day. They couldn’t care less about how it affects the average hard working tax payer.

      • 100 years of an education system which blames the British for anything bad that ever happened.
        Yes, that’s an overstatement, but it’s essentially true.
        So, despite almost everyone in Ireland watching British TV shows and supporting British football teams, it can be quite easy to whip people up into Anglophobia.

        I’m Irish but have lived in England for years.
        Irelands desperately needs to wake up and leave the EU, or the country will cease to exist.
        The population replacement is running at top speed now.
        I was in Dublin last week, and seeing the children walking home from school was shocking. Looks like white children are the minority now at some schools in the area I grew up in.
        I can very clearly remember the first time I saw a black man walking down Grafton Street in Dublin, about 1984 or so.
        As a teenager I had to stop and stare, as I’d never seen a black person before except on TV.

        • You could see the future for Dublin by taking the tube from Embankment to Dagenham. Passengers stare at me because they haven’t seen an Englishman for ages.

  2. Behind the Irish Governments position regarding the EU is a glaring anomaly . In their own view Ireland was subjugated by the English for hundreds of years , finally gaining their freedom about 100 years ago . Notwithstanding that independence , it continued to maintain close ties with Britain and still does , ties much much closer than with any other state or group of states . They now have handed most of their “independence ” over to the EU but have also maintained a very close relationship particularly regarding trade , with Britain . These two aspects of their affairs are incompatible unless the EU maintains a free trade relationship with the UK . The EU idea that the UK must not “profit” from Brexit means that free trade is not possible and therefore the current arrangement that Ireland has with the UK is also unsustainable . This is the EU’s decision NOT the UK’s but Ireland needs to decide where it’s own best interests lie . In my opinion , that is NOT with the EU .

  3. I can vaguely understand why Ireland joined the EU; as a “poor” country, they initially got lots of subsidies. But having tempted them into the EU (much like a supermarket does with its loss-leaders) the EU then started charging and demanding more, but, unlike a supermarket, Ireland couldn’t just walk out.
    Ireland fought for its freedom from the UK but has fallen into the hands of a far more dangerous master who is never prepared to compromise. Surely there are lessons here for the SNP, they want independence, but are then prepared to surrender it to the EU.
    If the Irish did the sensible thing, they would leave the EU and join a British Isles free trade area, which should have no difficulty negotiating trade agreements around the world.

  4. It would be a lot cheaper and in the long run a better solution just to offer everyone in NI who wants to remain in the UK, a house and a guaranteed income for as long as it takes to settle on the UK mainland.

  5. I too am infuriated by Fintan O’Toole and his ilk. Just after the vote he published an article in the Irish Times enumerating accurately all the serious flaws of the EU and concluding that Brexit was an act of irrational self-harm by the British people. Someone must have pointed out to him that any irrationality was all his, so his next article made the same criticisms of the EU, and suggested reforms. His last suggestion was :’democratise, democratise, democratise” Yes, Fintan, good luck with that, good luck with that, good luck with that. At least way back then he was willing to identify and criticise the EU’s democratic deficit. Now he seems to have unequivocally joined the chorus of Britain-bashers.

    As for why we are so pro-EU in ireland, it is partly wanting to be different (superior?) to Britain, partly a sort of Stockholm syndrome, and partly brainwashing by a media that knows quite well that the EU is anti-democratic and likes it that way. We do not have the benefit of a press that expresses different viewpoints as is the case with Britain. Heaven help us!

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