In response to The Conservative Woman: We want out!
Richie P wrote:
I’ve heard remainers claim that British democracy is now at the whim of the 90,000 Conservative Party members who elected Boris Johnson, a tiny percentage of the electorate. They never mention the fact that a decision arrived at by a huge direct democratic enterprise has been thwarted time and again by 350-400 MPs, an infinitesimally tiny proportion of the electorate, and a specific group to boot which has members with unusually high personal interest in thwarting that decision.
PierrePendre wrote:
Opinion polls have their place but the ease with which they can be manipulated and their solid track record in getting things wrong make it a place of which we should be sceptical.
What is needed is a general election, which the Labour party refuses to allow because it wants to bind the UK irrevocably to the EU in advance as insurance against being defeated at the polls.
Opinion polls quoted by Tethys [a TCW commenter] may show that a majority of the electorate now favour Remain but that wasn’t the message the electorate sent at the Europarly elections in May from which Mrs May concluded that time for her attempted surrender was up.
If Corbyn really thought he’d win a GE, he’d agree to one. Because he doesn’t, he prefers to hold the country ransom to this unrepresentative parliament in which some MPs are running from party to party like headless chickens in their efforts to cheat the voters. They literally don’t know what they are doing or what they want.
I don’t trust the Telegraph poll more than any of the others and given that the question at any second referendum would be rigged against true UK independence from the EU, a GE is the only way to escape an impasse which cannot be endless however much Remainers want it to last through serial extensions.
Like TCW’s editors, I want out. But honesty requires us to accept that people may have changed their minds during more than three years of wrangling, lying and abuse of parliament.
If a majority now wish to stay in the EU regardless of consequences that I personally think would be disastrous, they deserve the chance to say so in a vote. It’s a vote that is being held hostage by the Remainers. If they’re so sure they’re right, why don’t they let it happen?
Aberrant_Apostrophe wrote:
. . . if the EU refuses to make any more concessions
Cor, I must have been on another planet when they made even one concession.
