TCW editors: It’s for parents, not the state, to bring up children

Sex education has already been hijacked by the state, that is clear. The Government’s decision to impose its particular brand of gender ideology on children through compulsory ‘relationships’ education is alarming. In a letter to The Telegraph published yesterday, a number of groups and individuals joined to call for the rights of parents to be put ahead of the power of the state. It is copied here, with the names of the signatories, for those of you who do not have a Telegraph ‘login’.

SIR – Parents and guardians must retain the fundamental freedom to bring up their children in accordance with their beliefs and values. The role of the state in the nurture of children is strictly ancillary to that of the parents or guardians.
The Government’s decision to impose relationships education on every child in England from the age of five undermines that freedom.
Not only will parents be denied the right to withdraw children from relationships education, but Justine Greening, the Education Secretary, has already spoken in favour of introducing very young children to concepts, such as homosexuality and transgenderism, at an age where these cannot be critically assessed.
We note that the Secretary of State has made no mention of ensuring that children are taught about the well-established benefits associated with being brought up by married natural parents.
Relationships education was voted through Parliament on the grounds that it would help protect children from exploitative relationships and internet predators. Instead, will it be used to stigmatise traditional marriage and promote to children alternative lifestyles against parents’ wishes?
This would be a coercive and unnecessary measure damaging the position of all parents in England. We demand that the forthcoming consultation on relationships education puts the rights of parents ahead of the power of the state.

Philip Davies MP (Con)
Steve Double MP (Con)
Martin Vickers MP (Con)
Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali
Ed Costelloe
Chairman, Conservative Grassroots
Professor Philip Booth
St Mary’s University, Twickenham
Professor David Paton
Nottingham University Business School
Judith Nemeth
Director, National Association of Jewish Orthodox Schools
Kathy Gyngell
Co-Editor, The Conservative Woman
Rod Liddle
Thomas Pascoe
Coalition for Marriage
Norman Wells
Director, Family Education Trust
Antonia Tully
Director of Campaigns, SPUC Safe at School
Colin Hart
Chairman, Christian Institute
Andrea Williams
Chief Executive, Christian Concern
Clive Ireson
Director, Association of Christian Teachers
Dr Chris Richards
Lovewise
Dr Trevor G Stammers
E J Matyjaszek
Principal, Priory School of Our Lady of Walsingham
Revd Andrew Symes
Executive Secretary, Anglican Mainstream
Sue Relf
Organiser, Challenge Team UK
Rev Dr Matthew P W Roberts
Dr Lisa Nolland
Convenor, Marriage, Sex and Culture, Anglican Mainstream
Rev Lynda Rose
Chief Executive Officer, Voice for Justice UK

The Conservative Woman

  • The Duke of Umberland, England

    Good morning Class!

    Morning Miss.

    Class, today I’m going to speak to you about Daddy’s Roommate. Before I do that, I’ll just ask you a few questions. Ah! Young Jimmy! Jimmy, what do you think about your right arm?

    Eh Miss?

    Your right arm dear. Are you happy with it?

    Dunno, Miss.

    Well, haven’t you ever thought about having a different right arm? An arm that your body fits with better?

    Miss, I’ve never thought about my right arm. I mean it’s always been there.

    ‘Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.’

    Matthew 18:5

    • paul parmenter

      Indeed. Presumably it is only a question of time before poor Jimmy’s right arm is replaced by a robotic one that has been programmed to repeatedly punch him in the face as punishment for being far too sexist, genderist, transphobic, etc.

    • Busy Mum

      The next week, in the staffroom….
      ‘Oh dear, Jimmy seems to be struggling with body image issues. I’ll refer him to the counsellor.’

  • Busy Mum

    I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it. Justine Greening is neither a parent nor a teacher; she is also unashamedly signed up to a lifestyle that needs validating by the state.

    She is therefore not only unqualified for her position, she is positively dangerous to children, families and the nation.

    Any Education Secretary worth their salt would refuse to combine it with Women and Equalities.

    • Tricia

      Totally agree. Theresa May has placed a fox in the hen house. Of course she is neither a parent or a teacher. As with so many politicians – Merkel, Macron etc. I thin Andrea Leadsom had a good point about having a stake in the future.

    • UKCitizen

      She is not a conservative either by the looks of it!

  • Gary Laconic Jr.

    “Justine Greening, the Education Secretary, has already spoken in favour of introducing very young children to concepts, such as homosexuality and transgenderism, at an age where these cannot be critically assessed.”

    Even if the schoolchild is of an age to “critically assess” homosexuality and transgenderism – or, for that matter, same-sex marriage, the ever-expanding definition of racism or the latest tenets of feminism – today’s commissars of state education will not permit even the slightest dissent from the new orthodoxies. For if there is now one thing for which a child cannot be too young, it is to be investigated and censured for “hate crime”.

  • Ed McA

    I’d generally concur with this letter but then it doesn’t take account of those parents who can’t/won’t bring up their children in a responsible manner and there are, unfortunately, many, many in that category.

    • Tricia

      Don’t make the mistake of thinking that “sex education” is anything about making responsible decisions like waiting until you are old enough to have a relationship and have the emotional means to deal with this.
      It is all about your choice even at 12 or 13 and ways of avoiding pregnancy etc. They have been handing out condoms to 13 year olds for several years, even though the age of consent is 16. It is also about telling you that any kind of sex is fine. In fact it is about making pornography available to school children. It is all about breaking down cultural norms.
      Responsible parents need to fight this and hopefully stop it for the poor kids with feckless parents.
      Have a look at Canada and America and you can see the road we are travelling on. Parents in America are mounting a fight back and finding that schools are giving the children access to sites that they do not disclose to parents. Schools are also obstructive to parents.

      • Groan

        Indeed if there really was some prospect of education about human relationships and rights and responsibilities in society. Well I’d think schools should include such things in a wider education for life. However these days “relationships” is a term for sexual liaisons and associated “mechanics” with dollops of political theory hefted in. Its not even helpfully consistent as it veers from “It is also about telling you that any kind of sex is fine” to boys’ “male gaze” being rape. In other words its an inconsistent mess rather than a help to growing up.

  • David R

    Presumably no teacher will be encouraged, or even permitted, to say one word against stoning rape victims to death, or hanging homosexuals, or ‘honour’ killlings within the moslem community?

    • paul parmenter

      Now now, you know the rules: nothing from the “too difficult” pile.

  • Bik Byro

    “… already spoken in favour of introducing very young children to concepts … at an age where these cannot be critically assessed.”

    But no problem introducing young children to concepts such as a man in the sky called god at an early age where they are too young to critically assess.

    • Tricia

      Faith is not a concept, it is a reality for millions of people around the world. You may not share that faith, but as you live in a Christian country you are not coerced to believe. It would be different under Islam. And certainly Christianity does not advocate sex with children and our laws are based on Christian values of puberty being a starting point for adult issues.

      • Bik Byro

        Teaching is at a young age is “coerced to believe”
        Once you accept that young childrens’ minds have not built up enough critical judgement to make their own decisions about things that may or may not be true, then you have to include religious belief in that.
        Thankfully, one saving grace of christianity is that it does not mutilate the genitals of baby boys who have no say in having their bodies mutilated for life.

        • Busy Mum

          Christianity ‘is’ saving grace…

          • Bik Byro

            Christianity is a fiction made up to keep people enslaved to the church. People who are drawn to christianity do so because they are attracted to the idea of being a subservient slave.

          • Busy Mum

            Christianity is the belief that Jesus of Nazareth was – is – the Son of God. Stop being so sure you know other people’s beliefs better than they do.

          • Bik Byro

            The first Christian Bible was commissioned, paid for, inspected and approved by a pagan emperor. It’s a bigger whitewash than Tony Blair’s report into the death of David Kelly.

          • Busy Mum

            The Holy Bible – the Word of God – pre-dates the Roman empire.

            Tony Blair will be judged by that Word, when the time comes.

          • CRSM

            Only if you include the bizarre Jewish mythology of the OT.
            Nothing at all to do with Christianity.

          • Busy Mum

            And to which scriptures did Jesus Himself refer?

            The New is concealed in the Old.
            The Old is revealed in the New.

            You need to read up on exactly how the Jewish ceremonies were all typifying Jesus and therefore became obsolete by His death.

          • CRSM

            Yes, and surprisingly enough I believe that.
            I do not believe that the God of Jesus has anything at all to do with the evil YHWH/Allah though.

          • Busy Mum

            Which God did the Gentiles of Decapolis glorify when they saw the wondrous works of Jesus?

          • CRSM

            Who knows? The God of whom Jesus spoke is unknowable to mortals except through Jesus.

          • Busy Mum

            They glorified the God of Israel….. Matthew 15 v 31

          • CRSM

            More fool them. That would be a bit like Justin Welby praising Islam. (Aah, but he does, doesn’t he?)

          • Busy Mum

            Jesus of Nazareth was a Jew – stands to reason that they would glorify the Jewish God.

          • CRSM

            The god of Israel was, and still is a typical capricious and jealous tribal god. The coming of Jesus supplanted this false demiurge.

          • Busy Mum

            So you don’t think that Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews?

            Why did Jesus come?

          • Coniston

            You seem to be under the impression that Christianity is wholly at odds with Reason and Philosophy. If this is so, I would suggest that – if you really do want to understand the very close relationship between the Christian Faith and Reason – you could start by reading the following books.

            Philosophy: The Quest for Truth and Meaning by Andrew Beards
            Reading Alasdair’s MacIntyre’s After Virtue by Christopher Stephen Lutz
            Fides et Ratio: On the Relationship between Faith and Reason by John Paul II
            An Introduction to Philosophy by Daniel J. Sullivan

            You may of course still be of the same opinion after reading them, but at least you should be better informed.

          • Bik Byro

            With respect, you seem to be under the impression that I’ve not done any research on this topic. I have. So I’m probably more informed that half the fruitbats that come on here who have been told something as a kid and have never applied any critical reading or thinking about the matter since.

          • Colonel Mustard

            What about the other half of fruitbats? Do tell us all about them too!

          • Bik Byro

            I don’t have to tell the poster boy for the pro-choice movement anything.

          • CRSM

            I don’t believe Christianity enslaves, although some of its sects seem to forget that human beings are able to reason! It is far better than the evils inherent in the two Semitic faiths.

        • CRSM

          A very important point, deliberately not mentioned by those supporters of the two Semitic faiths.

    • Busy Mum

      Young children do have a conscience; they do not have any inherent ‘sexuality’.

      • Bik Byro

        Primary school teaching should stick to facts. What is a verb, what is a noun, what does 5 times 6 equal and what is the capital of France.
        Everything else should be left to a later age when they have acquired more critical judgement.

        • Busy Mum

          Absolutely agree on facts. But primary school children also have an unfortunate tendency to misbehave. When they have acquired some more critical judgment, they might start questioning whether a teacher’s ‘Because I say so’ is a good enough reason not to punch the boy sitting in the next chair, or not to rape the girl in the back row.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/09/number-child-on-child-sexual-assaults-almost-doubles/

          • Bik Byro

            You don’t need religion to teach people not to rape each other.

          • Busy Mum

            Don’t confuse God with religion.

          • Bik Byro

            Don’t confuse either of them with legal behaviour.

          • Busy Mum

            Don’t take the state as your moral authority – that is the ultimate slavery.

          • Bik Byro

            I don’t. Now you need to take heed of your own words “Stop being so sure you know other people’s beliefs better than they do.”

          • Busy Mum

            I would still disagree with rape even if the state decided it was ‘legal behaviour.’

          • Colonel Mustard

            Wel, you seem to “know other people’s beliefs better than they do”. At least that is what the insults you throw around suggest.

          • Bik Byro

            Do you share the belief in a deity which cares for us all and has the power to relieve suffering and still lets children lie in pain in cancer wards every day?

          • Colonel Mustard

            Which deity is that then? You clearly believe in it.

          • Bik Byro

            Do you believe in such a deity?

          • CRSM

            Sounds like YHWH/Allah to me.

        • CRSM

          Good reading comprehension skills, together with a good grasp of arithmetic and basic mathematical skills, forms the core of what young children should be taught. If the teacher is skillful enough to get the child interested in a wider range of things, then these basic skills will allow the child to learn so much more on their own.

        • Horsey_Mc_Horse

          So you agree we should only tell children there are male and females and two genders then. Great. We could also tell them about governments murdered 100 million last century too. Maybe even mention Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn the Soviet dissident who penned the Gulag Archepelago who said:

          “Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.” Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.”

    • Colonel Mustard

      How do you know that he is a “man in the sky”?

  • UKCitizen

    Post-Modernism/Cultural Marxism 101.
    Any chance we could get some conservative ideals promoted from the so called Conservative party?

  • Gary Laconic Jr.

    Not particularly germane, but amongst the co-signatories to this letter the name of Rod Liddle is a surprise, though a very welcome one.

    • Sean Toddington

      Yes with his ‘colourful’ marital and relationship history he is ideally placed to lecture the rest of us on where we are going wrong.

      • Gary Laconic Jr.

        Fair point, though Rod redeems himself by being a thorn in the side of the bien-pensant Left, and does so very entertainingly.

  • Alan

    Good letter. Any real Tory party would have deselected Greening by now. That she’s in May’s cabinet is extremely disturbing.

    • CRSM

      Upon reading that Justine Greening was pushing this foolish ideology, my only thought was: Well she would, wouldn’t she?

  • la catholic state

    My children will be boycotting these ‘lessons’.