After the political earthquakes of 2016, beginning with Brexit in the UK and followed by the election of President Trump in the USA, the two nations have followed very different courses.

Due to the political system in the USA where the President has complete executive power, President Trump is able to implement his own programme with an almost free hand, subject to the checks and balances and separation of powers wisely written into the American constitution.

In the UK, the establishment, or ‘the swamp’ as it has come to be known, has retained power and fought back against the people. Despite electoral gains for ‘populist’ parties all across Europe in 2017 who have been inspired by the lead of Brexiteers in Britain, the party which forced and won the referendum, UKIP, was nearly obliterated in local and national elections. The party which calls itself ‘Conservative’ but isn’t also fell back in national elections, and more than half of its elected representatives are part of the anti-democratic blob known as ‘Remoaners’.

Membership of both parties is falling precipitously. Despite this, loyal grassroots members of both parties have much in common. For the most part, they are fiercely patriotic but not nationalistic, believe in free market capitalism with a human face, a care for the countryside which places a high value on conservation but rejects ideological environmentalism, and most importantly wishes to retain the social fabric of society built up over nearly 1,400 years of Christianity, where marriage and the family are honoured as the fundamental backbone of the nation.

In contrast, much of the so-called Conservative party and a small section of UKIP are neo-liberals – espousing an extreme form of corporate capitalism mixed with the totalitarianism of progressive liberalism. These groups also have much in common. They would be comfortable with mass open-door immigration complemented by a total dismantling of the welfare system and the NHS.

Many ‘Conservatives’ in Parliament are essentially social democrats and have far more in common with the Liberal Democrats and Labour Blairites than the membership of their own party. They undermine marriage and the family, not least by wanting to implement the ‘Sex and Relationships Education’ indoctrination programme of the now-axed Justine Greening.

While the Liberal Democrats are a fairly homogeneous bunch of whingers, the Labour Party is split into three rather distinct tribes. The Blairites are rapidly being sidelined as the hard-Left Corbynite revolutionaries of Momentum take over the party. Momentum has succeeded in taking over the Labour NEC and is likely to press full steam ahead with deselecting anyone who is not a neo-Marxist. This development makes the Green Party completely irrelevant and likely to be swallowed up by Momentum.

There is a third and oft-overlooked group within the Labour Party, however, which goes by the name Blue Labour. Its motto is ‘faith, flag and family’ and it espouses social conservatism. This is the Labour of the North and the Midlands, ordinary hard-working voters who are patriotic, compassionate and shockingly politically incorrect. They believe in the family, working hard to provide for yourself, bringing up your kids well and that there are two genders: male and female. They reject the transgender agenda and quite often same-sex marriage as well, oppose mass immigration and support Brexit. Blue Labour has far more in common with UKIP than the Corbynites, and is leaving in droves as Labour lurches to the hard Left.

To a greater or lesser extent, all three of the national parties which were the biggest at the time of the referendum, Labour, Conservative and UKIP, have suffered identity crises since then. The tensions in all the parties roll on, but the Remainers have the upper hand in Parliament in opposition to the majority of the country. Britain is ripe for a complete realignment of its political parties. It would not be surprising if Labour, Conservatives and UKIP all pulled themselves apart as Brexit continues to be delayed, and political tensions increase.

True conservatives in UKIP, the ‘Conservatives’ and Labour could form a party of patriotic traditionalists. Such a party would straddle the economic axis of politics from centre Left to mid Right, but be united in social conservatism and identity. These are the ‘Somewheres’ of David Goodhart’s book The Road to Somewhere, to whom identity is more important than economics.

The ‘Anywheres’ are in general progressive in worldview and fall into three groups who would be happier coalescing than remaining in the unhappy pre-referendum legacy parties. These three new groups fill the Left, Centre and Right of the economic spectrum, while being united by progressivism.

The neo-liberals of UKIP and the ‘Conservative’ party could very easily join up on the economic hard Right to pursue hard Right economic policies: globalist corporatism with open borders and zero welfare and healthcare.

The liberal ‘Conservatives’ and Blairites would do better leaving their own parties and joining the Liberal Democrats to make one big blob in the economic centre of the progressive ground which could then be contained. One of the enduring images of 2017 was Kenneth Clarke, Nick Clegg and Lord Adonis going hand in hand to visit the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator M. Barnier, presumably to discuss how to overturn Brexit. They looked far happier together than back in their own parties.

The Corbynites of the Labour Party look likely to be the first to succeed in making their party ideologically homogeneous. Socially progressive and economically hard Left, they have bewitched millions of young people into supporting them with offers of free university places and millions of cheap new homes which haven’t yet been built but will be paid for by a magic money tree which doesn’t exist.

This makes it more essential than ever for the rest of the political ground to shift. The ‘Conservative’ party is a mess and fundamentally divided. With membership reportedly down to 70,000, it is clinging to power for dear life, dependent on the DUP and the progressive Scottish Conservatives to remain in government. It was unthinkable only two months before the election of 2017 that Corbyn’s Labour would make a huge comeback. It is unthinkable now that the ‘Conservative’ party will ever win an election again, leaving the country doomed to at least five years of neo-Marxist destruction, but political salvation may come in a unification of all true social conservatives if the old parties are rent asunder by events.

The social conservatives of UKIP have been let down by successive leaders since the referendum, the Mogg Conservatives are outnumbered in the House of Commons by Remainers, and Blue Labour is becoming homeless as Momentum takes hold of Corbyn’s Labour. Edmund Burke famously said that all that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

It is sometimes a great risk even for good men and women to make the change necessary to win the battle they have to fight. Yet if social conservatives, who are a majority in the country, do nothing then nothing will change. The social democrats and neo-Marxists will continue to rule with their nebulous tentacles infiltrating all our institutions.

An alliance of good men and women underpinned by patriotism and drawing on the intellectual tradition of Burkean Conservatism could head off the rot. In this tradition, Judaeo-Christian values were accepted as self-evident truths until the Western cultural revolution of the sixties. It may be initially uncomfortable to come together and change the status quo, but Brexit and the future of the nation may depend on it.

216 COMMENTS

  1. One wonders if Her Majesty can just do everybody a great big favour and prorogue Parliament until such time as the ideological blocs you’ve described re-coalesce and a proper election can be held. Or would that be seen as “anti-democratic” and a coup? (Not that what’s in there now is all that democratic anyhow.)

    It does, however, have the ring of that old Vietnam War saying about destroying a village in order to save it– which, rather than the absurdity it sounded like at the time, was actually an infelicitous way of saying, “We will remove villagers, who are under constant intimidation by the Viet Cong to co-operate unwillingly with them, to a safer location, and then burn the village to deny its use to the VC.” As you say, it might be a better idea all around to remove “unwilling villagers” (those factions you mentioned) to a place of safety (a new Party altogether), and then burn the rat-infested barn (not literally, of course!) to deny its use.

    • Since Elizabeth II ceded our sovereignty to Brussels she is now merely just another citizen of the EU sub-region called Transmanche, and has no power to do anything.

      • I suspect that she sees the Windsor dynasty as a corporate entity. It is there to maximise profits and deal with threats. The old notion of it being there for country doesn’t exist. Like Blair, they are enthralled to the globalists

        • HM is a reassuring symbol of continuity for a nation being steadily dissolved into the de facto Fourth Reich.
          Her grace & longevity should not blind us to the fact that she has
          steadily signed away her country to governance by a foreign power.
          It would horrify her to consider the comparison, but her avoidance of a constitutional crisis, has resulted in her reign being a long drawn out
          equivalent to what Edward V111 sought to achieve.
          Mrs T blamed the Europeans for tricking her into signing the Single European Act.
          I believe the traitors were & are nearer home.
          It was senior civil servants who misinformed both Mrs T & the Queen about the EU’s intentions.

    • I remember the phrase well, and your explanation of what it meant is correct. In our context today, it means throwing a lifeline to those who are in danger of drowning in the swamp. No matter what we do, good people will be hurt, but we should try to minimize that.

  2. The problem is that the Tories would rather have a vassal state than split and Blue Labour are in a minority and see taking power as the priority. They could agree to fight the election and not oppose each other as UK Labour and UK Conservative, then clean up, but won’t.

  3. Some really good points made in the article , the problem being that , even during the referendum campaign , over -inflated egos were at work and a truly concerted effort was not made , The result was achieved in spite of the divisions in the “leave” side not because of them . Too many individuals claimed success for them selves and too few acknowledged that all who worked for a leave vote had a part to play . UKIP has performed very badly since that vote but is still a victim of concerted attacks on it’s ethos by those who should be it’s allies . Until this changes , nothing else will .

  4. That 17 million people who voted to leave the EU need back a political party that has leaving at the core of its manifesto.

    Trouble is the ‘tribal voting’ in this country is too great and the media does all it can to split it.

  5. “or ‘the swamp’ as it has come to be known”……”more than half of its elected representatives are part of the anti-democratic blob known as ‘Remoaners’.”…..I was really interested in reading this article, given the headline, so I let that 1st bit of nonsense go….then I read the 2nd bit, and gave up, as it’s obviously not meant to be a serious piece.

    • Why are you taking the trouble to post on this website, since you are clearly not a social conservative? Just to make it clear, this blog is for those of a socially conservative persuasion. You are clearly not socially conservative. You do not belong here.

      • Thanks for making me feel so welcome, Godfrey. I welcome your reply. You know nothing about me but still, being uninformed isn’t an issue for you I guess? I was intrigued by the headline, then I realised it was just clickbait guff containing the usual childish insults and generalisations. Bye.

      • If the only people who read this blog are social conservatives it won’t change anyone’s mind. Don’t you want people who are not social conservatives to hear the arguments that they rarely hear on TV or read in large sections of the press?

        • No problem if someone is genuinely interested. However, Jenni Wren, Barry Guevara, Strong Woman #BPE et al are SJW trolls. Their actions show that their true aim is to draw us into pointless arguments in order to drain us of our creative energy. Their purpose is to ensure that we are too exhausted by our having to arguing the toss with them, such that we might miss the opportunity for real interaction with any genuine person who might chance to stumble upon this site.

          • I know I have replied a couple of times to these trolls, which I regret.
            I suggest we all ignore them totally, and so expose them as persons who are essentially loners playing with themselves in front of computer screens.

          • Good suggestion. I sha’n’t interact with the trolls anymore. Engaging with time-wasters is – no surprises here – a complete waste of time!

          • Oi, Mush! You forgot me!

            Any bunch of numpties can play “Ain’t It Awful” with each other till the cows come home if unchallenged and I suppose it makes you feel more comfortable if you build a wall to keep reality out, like the old joke about the Catholics in Heaven who think they’re the only ones there. You could always try forming a political party of your own to put up candidates for election, and if your views are as popular as you seem to believe they are then your will have some success. But I wouldn’t hold your breath, because you won’t go unchallenged out there.

          • Does it make you feel like a big, grown-up girl to come onto this site in order to make fun of the stuffy social conservatives? Is laughing at the fuddy-duddy old geezers a jolly pastime for a silly little girl like you?
            If you had any socially conservative instincts (which you clearly do not), then you would be more respectful when on enemy territory. You have zero idea whom you are mocking and mockery is an unwise gambit when you find yourself on enemy territory.
            I do not wander onto feminist blogs because I know my views would not be welcome there. What gives you the arrogance and the conceit to think it is acceptable behaviour for a feminist like yourself to wander onto socially conservative territory.
            You do not belong here. Go away.

          • You don’t represent reality. Don’t fool yourself or try to fool others with that tripe, you big head.

        • Come off it! They are not here for serious engagement but are devout lefties trying to colonise and disrupt this website as they do everywhere. All any of them do is sneer at the articles and smear the other commentators.

          You are being naive and you won’t change their bigoted minds.

      • Because she’s lonely and bored and Felix Domesticus hasn’t yet evolved to the point where it can hold a cross-species conversation.

        • I have known one or two women in their 40s who seem to have the view that the problem can be solved if they have enough cats!

      • The quality of articles on this site has deteriorated sharply since the announcement that they were going to ‘step up a gear’ (or whatever it was, it might have been ‘Going in with all guns blazing’, or something like that).
        The writers are simply not good enough to fulfil their expectations. This is what you get if you are part of a coterie with delusions of adequacy.

    • And you class yourself as a serious contributor, even back in your BT Internet days, Jenni? Pull the other one, sweetie. Ding ding ding!!!

      • No I don’t, but I do like to read a range of articles, this one looked like it might be interesting…but it turned out to be puerile soundbites. BT internet? Not sure I follow, I do use BT at home, but not on phone or at work? Is there an issue using BT? Are they too pro abortion or something?

  6. The party you are looking for seems to exist already and it’s called the DUP. If they stood in the whole of the UK I think many of the real conservatives and Brexit voters would support them.

      • “Here let me vaguely waft around my own opinion, without having to commit anything to contradiction, to suggest that you’re misguided”.

        Maybe there is a planet in a solar system in which that technique actually works.

        • Fair point – here goes. They are a single issue party, an issue which is of very limited interest to the wider British electorate. Their existence only makes sense in a very limited cultural and geographic context.

          Additionally they are a very unsavoury bunch of terrorist fan boys (and girls), serial incompetents and raging bigots. Usually never far away from a financial scandal.

          ok?

          • Hahaha. And Corbyn and McDonnell’s and Milne’s connections to Iran’s Shia Theocracy, Hamad, Hezbollah, PIRA, et Al are not bigoted or “terrorist fanboys”??? Grow up.

          • CW home of whataboootery. The DUP has a long history of anti-Catholic bigotry, and an equally long history of cosying up to the UDA and the rest of the spectrum of Loyalist terror. So as a Catholic and the fortunate survivor of a visit from a UDA death squad, I’m afraid I don’t care for them much.

          • You and the UDA death squad have much in common. You are targeting people you don’t much care for because of your own bigotry too. They did it with guns and you do it with sneers and self-righteousness.

          • I have nothing in common with the UDA, or any of the other bunches of thugs and murderers who carried out so many acts of unspeakable cruelty. Why are you incapable of any discourse without descending to personal abuse?

          • Again you mention the UDA but not the IRA. The UDA would not have existed without the Irish Republic’s exporting of terror into Northern Ireland and you have the whiff of republican leftism about you which I’m afraid I don’t care for much.

          • The thread is about the DUP. Hence the references to the UDA. An organisation you clearly know nothing about.

          • Don’t presume what I know or don’t know about the Troubles.

            There was a reference in this thread to Corbyn and the IRA which you dodged and kept on dodging.

          • Your postings reveal your ignorance. Protestant extremists were active in NI long before ‘the troubles’. Google Gusty Spence. Corbyn met Sinn Fein. So did Tony Blair, John Major, Ian Paisley and the Queen. So what? I have a friend who had to witness John Major shaking hands with the man who hacked her brother to pieces (John White google him too if you like). People have to swallow a lot for peace.

          • Yours do too. You have dodged again from the UDA to “Protestant extremists”, UVF and the UPA. If we are going to play that game we can play it with the IRA and Sinn Fein too.

            Corbyn did a little more than “meet Sinn Fein”. For seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”

            The official programme for a 1988 event, held one week after the IRA
            murdered three British servicemen in the Netherlands, states that “force
            of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united
            Socialist Ireland.” Corbyn used the event to attack the Anglo-Irish
            Agreement, the precursor of the peace process. He said it had resulted in no improvement in the lives of the people of Northern Ireland, adding: “It strengthens rather than weakens the border between the six and the 26 counties, and those of us who wish to see a united Ireland oppose the agreement for that reason.”

            The editorial board of London Labour Briefing, a hard-Left magazine, of which Corbyn was a member, wrote an article praising the Brighton bombing. In its article on the IRA attack, which almost wiped out Margaret Thatcher’s Cabinet, the editorial board of London Labour Briefing said the atrocity showed that “the British only sit up and take notice [of Ireland] when they are bombed into it.” According to an authoritative parliamentary reference work, Corbyn was general secretary of the editorial board. He wrote the front-page story in the same issue of Briefing for December 1984, which published a reader’s letter praising the “audacity” of the IRA attack and stating: “What do you call four dead Tories? A start.”

            And you write “So what?”. You are evidently an Irish republican sympathist and leftist but you don’t “own” this subject because of that.

          • Until when should I not hold my breath ? I said it was a start which it is. How far it will go I don’t know. But as the SDLP becomes less and less relevant, the decent Catholics will have less of a choice.

            Be honest. If I had told you say 10 years ago that the Belfast Telegraph would have contained a report like that one, would you not then have advised me not to hold my breath?

          • You just don’t get it do you? A priest (just one) points out the obvious, that on abortion, gays, transsexuals. the DUP and the Catholic church are in much the same place. However, here’s the deal breaker. The DUP hate Catholics with a a visceral, tribal hatred (google Sammy Wilson just for a bit of a giggle). Their leadership keep it (mostly) well concealed, but the rank and file don’t. They burn the pope in effigy every year. If you are Catholic and are around at the time, they will beat you senseless and add you to the bonfire. So wake up James. You can hold your breath till the crack of doom, Catholics, will not support the DUP. There are of course the odd deluded souls – I once met a Protestant republican – but you can count them on the fingers of one hand. It’s basically the same reason turkey’s don’t vote for Christmas.

          • It’s not a case of being desperate. I have known about it for a while

            So you still haven’t told me what I have said that’s wrong or when I shouldn’t hold my breath until.

            I said that some Catholics but not many vote for the DUP. Is that wrong?

          • I do not think the problem began with the Protestants and this is why:-

            I was told by a NI Roman Catholic that until Rome began to made waves n the sixties, Catholics and Protestants lived peacefully together. As an example, he told me that prevously, during the marching season, when an Orange march took place, Catholics workmates covered at the workplace for their Protestant colleagues and when there was a Catholic march, the Protestant workmates covered.

            Also, it was well know in Northern Ireland that Ian Paisley could never have been elected by Protestant support alone. He was reputed to have been very responsive to his Catholic constituents – whatever the media may say about him.

          • By and large Catholics don’t march. 95% of marches in Northern Ireland are the Protestant, so the charming story or reciprocal work cover for marches is nonsense. In fact everything you posted is factually incorrect. Otherwise good stuff.

  7. Why would you put identity politics before your prosperity? It makes absolutely zero sense I don’t care what my nationality is provided I have a job and a half decent income.

        • Actually I don’t really like it. Beyond a few well known set pieces I find it rather dull. I much prefer the other histories and especially the two Henry the IVs. I also fail to understand what it’s got to do with anything here.

        • It really helps the conservative cause to have whackos like Strong contribute and their nonsensical statements flattened. It’s like watching Tom and Jerry. Another bold writer, or perhaps strong, probably working in a team for a Soros funded tank of ****. claimed to have had ten abortions and frightened her GP into retirement a few weeks ago. What could have been more helpful? Against MSM we need all the help we can get.

  8. What about us Paleo-Liberals? Once the most important force in British politics and now totally forgotten. There’s still some of us about and we have no-one to vote for.

  9. Myself, Barry Guevara and Jenni Wren are the only ones talking any sense on here.

    We all have different political leanings, but we agree that social conservative identity politics is a load of nonsense.

    • You are not the only ones ltalking common sense.
      You are the only ones whose arguments are so weak that you have to SHOUT.
      The trio of which you are a member are immature, ill informed, & not remotely conservative in outlook.

    • Strong. The proposal that patriotic Labour voters out of the Metrollops and traditional Conservative voters have much in common must horrify you. My friends are the former and I am the latter and over drinks it has been obvious for years that we are much more alike and opposed to one world Marxists.This is why none of my labour friends dare express their real views at work in higher.education.

      • Labour voters out of the Metrollops – that would be the land of the twitching curtain, wouldn’t it? Where the rest of the street knows your business before you know it yourself because they gossip about you in the ginnel when you aren’t around. Where the spirited woman is “no better than she ought to be” and a young man who prefers reading to fighting is “a bit queer if you ask me”. Where retired men while away their days at the bowling green while their womenfolk scrub and cook and iron for them back home. The working-class Lancashire I grew up in, and where when I went back I was bitterly reproached and all but charged with treason for getting ideas above my station by going to university and then getting a lucrative job in IT and, horror of horrors, living in France for a while. Do you guys want to go back to that tiny-minded world of ? Because you’re welcome to it, but leave me and mine out of it because I’d cut off my right arm rather than inflict it on my grandchildren.

    • Strong Women #FPBE, Barry Guevara & Jenni Wren et al, we see very clearly that you are SJW trolls. You are wasting your time here. Go find a feminist blog – you would be much more comfortable with your Marxist chums.
      Here at The Conservative Woman, we do very much welcome comments from genuine & real people. But you SJW trolls are rather tiresome.

      • It must be a very sad existence, when all you can bear is people who echo your thoughts exactly? Let’s hope your ‘creative energy’ remains undiminished…..after all, those who don’t deal in facts or the real world need all the creativity they can muster.

        • You are only here because you can’t bear the fact that people don’t echo your thoughts! As for dealing in facts – you don’t. You just sneer at the articles or at other commentators.

          Has anyone ever seen you or Dame Tethys of Whinge or any of the other sockpuppets in the same room? You are working a number here because you object to the very notion of the conservative woman, so none of your old baloney, you absolute horror.

      • Your last sentence is highly relevant & welcome.
        As a conservative, I could never feel allegiance to the Conservative party
        & have more in common with Frank Field than Ken Clarke or any of the
        old Etonian crony capitalists.
        There is no alternative to capitalism & the defence of private ownership as the mainstays of a society that is thriving intellectually & economically.
        However, without universally accepted moral & legal obligations, the result is
        best illustrated by the Wild West or Weimar Germany.
        At least the Weimar Republic gave us great art.
        Today, the UK is disunited & more or less value free as evinced by the persecution
        of persons for intentionally bad taste jokes made in their extended adolescence
        while a single serious prosecution has yet to be launched against those committing the hideous crime of FGM against girls who are entitled to protection as British citizens.

    • The irony of someone decrying “identity politics” with a name like ‘Strong Woman #’.

      You also appear to not understand what identity politics is. If you do you would know conservativism doesn’t use it to the degree revolutionary parties do.

  10. There’s no discussion of the economic questions here that would divide the interests of those groups. The more successful socially conservative stratum (middle classes) are less likely to support the economic desires of the less successful socially conservative stratum (under>working-class).

  11. Grassroots Conservatives and those in charge of Cons Party policy in the UK must take heed of what Trump is achieving, and ACT. The videoclip in this news report by CNN (interviewing Democrat voters who had switched to Trump to see what they thought of a year of his presidency) is utterly inspiring and hugely informative, if only the Cons will listen. It is 4 minutes of pure gold.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/18/cnns-worst-nightmare-youngstown-ohio-voters-thrilled-with-trumps-first-year/

  12. Sorry but Blue Labour is not a group within the Labour party, it is the Tory party in its current Socialist iteration !

    David Cameron has a lot to answer for in his modernisation of his party, throwing away conservative values in the pursuit of his hero Tony BLiar, too dim to notice the man is one of the most reviled people in the country by left and right in equal measure.
    It was he who called UKIP supporters cranks fruitcakes and closet racists, and was later forced to retract this crass insult as more than half the country supported them and Cameron finally got some of it through his stubborn thick head that the people were not thinking the way he thought they were.

    It’s a nice pipe dream that the other parties would come together to offer a conservative choice to the electorate, but that’s all it is, a dream.

    UKIP under Nigel Farage managed to take voters from both Labour and the Tories, and terrified Cameron so much that he came out with such wild insults.

    The Tories aren’t going to change now, they have set the ship on course for the rocks and it won’t be changed, but like any creature in its death throes, it remains exceedingly dangerous and prone to lashing out in any direction.

      • Blue Labour definitely exists outside Parliament. I think there are one or two quieter MPs who also feel the same. I remember a number of labour MPs really disliking Blair and the Blairites, but no wanting anything too far left.

        I also think there are many conservatives who are no longer following the party because they agree more with DUP policies than they do with their own party. It is the people of the country that need to be galvanised. If they can see strong candidates standing, whether fresh from the public or coming from disaffected MPs it would be an exciting turn in our political future.

        The biggest danger of course, if the Conservative party themselves. They would do anything to stop a new movement. The infiltration of UKiP so disgustingly carried out by the likes of Dan Hannon and Douglas Carswell is just the tip of the dastardly iceberg. Then there are the smear campaigns and threats from all liberalisers that would have to be battled. Is anyone prepared to take this on. David is certainly capable as is Gisela. But who else remains to be seen.

        • I live in a constituency in the North. It was just about a marginal before the last election. It is now one of the biggest Labour majorities in the country. Blue Labour in the party, and among the electorate, is a fantasy.

          • Do not forget that in the election Labour promised they would honour the referendum result. I do not think any labour supporter would turn to the conservatives under any circumstances. So having their own party openly promising to honour their vote was the deciding factor. I suspect many of those citizens are now ready to put Corbyn on the guillotine. But they have nowhere else to go with their vote.

            Most of the country see Westminster as betraying them. Not just over Brexit, but with the money given to foreign aid, money going to E.U. for trade we do not need to pay for, mo years going to France to bribe the. Not to send over more immigrants. The list goes on and it is making ma y of us extremely angry. Should a new party show its face that genuinely speaks for the citizens of this country, they may well follow. If it has a whiff of Conservative about it, then I agree, it will fall flat.

          • The referendum was not an issue here. The Labour MP is pro European, and voted against article 50. He still added 20,000 to his majority.

          • I am surprised. Does this mean your constituency voted to remain? If it didn’t then the conservatives need to worry about momentum. One thing I will say is the West Country (apart from Bristol and Exeter) have never been labour. We don’t even get labour posters that much. However in the last election the Green Party and Conservative party posters were all badly defaced with swastikas on them. Many were torn down. Something that has not been seen before. In their place we’re labour posters but there were not many labour candidates. All the associations started to realise Momentum were becoming a dangerous force to be reckoned with.

          • I think the exception is Scotland where some Labour voters have gone over to the Conservatives but this appears to be due to unionism or a stronger stance on that where Labour has been unclear as is the case with Brexit. It can happen but it really isn’t the norm either I accept and Scotland in truth is likely to be more receptive to a right of centre party economically than former industrial heartlands in the north of England.

            The Tories didn’t make the gains they needed to make for sure with only two gains in the north of England and Copeland being retained which couldn’t offset the other losses. However, there could still be a paradigm shift and the Conservatives could become more attractive to working class communities in certain circumstances with Brexit – depending on how it turns out. At this moment I remain sceptical because it appears what transpires under current Conservative leadership will only be marginally better than Labour’s offering, if it is at all, because in some aspects it’s very unlikely.

          • I too live in a constituency in the north.

            I remember well canvassing for the Tories on middle class estates and coming away feeling that I was wasting my time as so many clearly weren’t voting for us.

            But far more happily I remember canvassing council estates and ending the evening with a number of genuine promises.

            Of course that was a long time ago now. Left the party 10 years ago.

    • Think any one who would love to have a go and possibly could be very good at it is hampered by the Money Factor. It does cost a lot to get a Party off the Ground and whoever the Leader may be will have to be not only thick skined but absolutely determined to be that which is needed and not a PC nitwit who tries to be all things to all people. You have to lay down the Ground Rules, be flexible on some points but not lose the way. It would have to be the straight and narrow line of All for One, One Country, One rule of Law, One Principle and all with the absolute aim of getting the UK back on it’s feet without staggering. Country before Person, absolute devotion to the UK That is one hell of an ask!

      • The relationship between the Money Factor and the PC nitwits is a big part of the problem. Lack of money is a barrier. Sponsorship comes from those with money to spare. Sadly, the globalists with deep pockets are willing only to sponsor PC nitwits.

        • Sadly I think you are right. I just wish someone would look at our lovely Country and put it first, just for once?

          • I know plenty who cling to the motto ‘King and Country first’, but none of these patriots are cabinet ministers or political operators of any stature. It seems that the self-sacrifice necessary to put King and Country first does not correlate with the treacherous and ruthless will to power required to achieve high political office. This means that our political system is broken. Brexit was an attempt to fix our political system, but it is failing. Politicians has better watch out. If Brexit is not delivered, then large swathes of Britain will become ungovernable.

  13. Another fantastic and honest article from David. I agree, as a kipper, that UKiP is now in danger of losing its hold in the country altogether. Kippers do not want another leadership election but they want a new leader. My answer is to offer that leadership to the person who came either second or third after Henry Bolton. Now Ann Marie Waters came Second and has left the party. David came third, so in my head it should be offered to David on the evidence of the percentage of the vote.

    He should then start talking to all Brexiteers across parties. To join together and create a united party for the people of Great Britain. Ukip are dragging their feet as usual. Henry Bolton should have been asked to stand down immediately. I know the NEC are spineless so maybe David could talk to Gisela Stewart and Kate Hoey to get things rolling.

    I know there are many labour voters who would never, on principle vote conservative, and yet they are more traditional conservative in their values than the Labour Party ever were.

    • I fully agree. UKIP needs a real leader who can speak to Brexiteers across the whole political spectrum.

      • Many kippers at the conference had never heard of Henry Bolton and were dismayed that he had won. He had no charisma, no standing, and certainly didn’t command immediate respect. We all wondered whether the votehad been rigged, even then. So many people wanted either Ann Marie or David. No other name was being mentioned at grassroots level or at co ference on the Friday.

        We sat next to a group of very young men (early 20s) and they were very angry indeed that Ann Marie has not won. They said the vote was rigged because the NEC couldn’t handle the party being successful and they were leaving the party. We tried to talk to them but they were adamant that UKIp was finished for them.

          • I voted for David Kurten because I thought Ann Marie was not a strong leader. She was very good on Islam but lost her temper too quickly when confronted. Having heard her speak on a couple of occasions I decided she was not the person for us.

          • I too would much prefer David Kurten over Ann Marie. I agree that Ann Marie is good on Islam, but she has a long history of entanglement with Leftism which I find problematic. It is only in the last couple of years that she came over to UKIP, having previously been hard Left on most issues.

          • Peter Hitchens used to be a lefty. People can change their political views as they get older and wiser.

          • True.
            However, if Ann Marie has disavowed her Communist past, then she would be advised to start talking about conservative ideas occasionally in order to let us know that she has indeed abandoned collectivism. Please do not misunderstand me: Ann Marie’s critique of Islam is excellent and I fully support her robust stance against Muslims. However, since she doesn’t talk about anything else, she comes across as a one-trick pony.

          • I was not an AMW supporter, but there is no denying that Bolton has achieved that more quickly than ANW would have.

        • It is totally heartbreaking to consider that we are now 18 months post-referendum and UKIP has failed to consolidate.
          I too am a kipper and I had never heard of Henry Bolton before his dramatic elevation to the leadership.
          I cannot say whether Bolton is a Manchurian Candidate, but there is something very fishy about his apparent entanglement with a glamour model. I suspect that she was a baited honey trap deployed in order to bring Bolton down.
          Perhaps there will now be another chance for David? I hope so, because right now we are in the last ditch.

        • Where did he come from? He suddenly appeared from nowhere and I am convinced there’s been some dirty dealings going on.

          • I think he was probably pushed forward because he was malleable. No one expected this turn of events. But then I also think recent hounding is down to leftwing Media. I also know from talking to other kippers at co ference that HopenotHate have vowed to destroy UKIPand they were certainly protesting outside our conference hall

        • Defo rigged. UKIP failed to send me a ballot for two leadership elections (I suspect because they knew the candidates I had donated money too).

          UKIP has major problems. If they can’t run their own internal elections in a properly transparent and democratic manner they deserve to die.

    • Agree totally…UKIP or something akin to it is needed ASAP. I have never trusted May and as the days go by I am being proved right,Labour with Corbyn are a dangerous joke and as ever the Liberal Democrat’s ( neither Liberal or Democratic) and the Greens are in cloud cuckoo land.
      Bolton should resign for his own good and of UKIP,the local council elections are in May and that is the first chance for a rebellion against the authodoxy of the political remainer elite. It has to be trigger to get Brexit back on track.

      • And we see today Appeaser theresa is offering £45m to bring even more migrants into this country. This woman makes me so angry. She is a stain on the female species.

    • its the people pulling the strings in UKIP that need to be kicked out. I’ll not renew my membership until something is done.

    • UKIP was built with a rag tag and bobtail mix of amateurs who knew that the UK was heading in the wrong direction and has been for a long time. Not surprising that amateurs make a mess of things in the political sphere. Having said that they worked wonders by getting 4 million votes (2.4million LibDems 8 seats, 1.2million SNP 56 seats) but ended up with just one seat.

      UKIP set the debate and moved public opinion to get us a referendum for which we should all be grateful.

      What it needs now is for proper Conservatives to stand up and run Brexit and not wishy washy May who is a Remainer.

  14. “Blue Labour has far more in common with UKIP than the Corbynites, and is leaving in droves as Labour lurches to the hard Left.”

    No it isn’t. If that were the case, UKIP would be doing fantastically well right now and Corbyn’s labour party would be going down the pan.

    Don’t forget many of these areas are “red rosette on a pig” areas.

  15. Admirable sentiment David, but unless someone is prepared to act as the lightning rod and leader, it ain’t gonna happen. The public I’m afraid are too thick to see that they’re being played and are too simple to do anything about it beyond the binary solution we’ve had for generations. Short of there being a very big noise being made about it, Brexit is dead in the water just like I said it would be before it even happened. The only way the UK will ever get real meaningful Brexit is by having a UKIP majority government and that, plain and simply, is never going to happen, regardless of the fact that it is a government of that perspective, if not it’s current characters that we really need now.

    • I think you’ll end up out of the EU, because the EU will destroy itself. But it won’t be on terms favorable to Britain. I also think you’ll live to see the US disassociate itself once again from Europe – just too many differences for us to put ourselves on the line for you much longer. That is Britain’s real choice, the US and much of the world, or the insular EU, while it lasts, and then alone in the world.

      Your key need indeed is a leader, where you find one, I haven’t a clue, but you need one.

      • Agreed. May is an incredible stupid person alienating the US. I still remember the TV clip when it was announced Trump had won – she was out in India I think and she was called out to comment on the news – she looked absolutely gobsmacked – shocked – like a rabbit caught in a car’s headlights – it was not what she wanted nor expected to happen. May and her government think that because UKIP’s back is on the ropes that the people will flock back to the tories especially with the threat of Corbyn and his marxists in No. 10 – but as much I don’t want Corbyn in No. 10 I’d not support the tories to stop it.

        • I’ll give her election night, just about everyone was surprised, even Trump’s supporters. What doesn’t go down well are the continuing snubs, which we expect from such as the BBC, but have a right to expect better from one of only two governments in the world that we tend to consider as friends, not allies, but friends.

          Reality is real, Trump is President, and unless something very dramatic happens will be until January 2025. She needs to deal with it, this is the non elite part of America, in a sense those of us with real experience have taken control, the adults as it were. We, most of us, can see why Trump continues with the Twitter, it is not ideal, but it is necessary. Our Marines have a slogan, “No better friend, no worse enemy”. It applies to a lot of things.

          Funny thing is, when nobody was looking, we won a war; ISIS is now ISWAS, they’re gone, although there are remnants floating about. How? By making it a traditional American style war, low level leadership, and keeping our eye on the ball. Progress is being made on North Korea, and an alliance is shaping up on Iran. The world is already a safer place.

          And domestically, well the Dow sets a record nearly every day, unemployment is the lowest since Clinton was president, black unemployment is lower than it has been since we’ve recorded it. More than a hundred big companies have either given raises or bonuses, or both based on the tax reform, and promised more jobs still.

          We’re moving along, if the world doesn’t pay attention the days of the late forties could reappear, you know when we had ~75% of gross world product, not really, of course, but we will become increasingly dominant. Not a good time to P*** us off.

    • Not all the people are thick but we need a flag to flock behind – as individuals we would get beaten but if we came together as one body we would win!

  16. “loyal grassroots members of both parties for the most part…believe in free market capitalism with a human face”

    You are being ridiculously harsh. They’re far less susceptible to this sort bollocks than you.

  17. Small wonder UKIP are in so much trouble if that (above) constitutes its (UKIP) leitmotif…….a sort of familiar strain but really just background muzak.

    Agreed UKIP are a busted flush, agreed many people feel rightly that they are disenfranchised the Leave vote brought us all together and then the to put it politely the ‘idiosyncracies’ of the Parliamentary ballot diffused this (LEAVE) vote into factional disparate groups who were ulimately set against each other – electorally speaking.

    There is no national unionist party there is no party other than the party of liblavCON – cry for God, Freedom and St. George, David, Patrick and Andrew!

    No party, that’s the problem – of course the right thinking majority of conservative voters in Wales, NI, Scotland and England have much in common, of course we need to be out of the Berlin Empire, of course we need to nigh shut the borders – welfare state free at the point of access is not sustainable to use their hackneyed buzz words.
    Aye all of it, it could be done but the establishment do not allow it and the whole shebang, law courts, Berlin, liblavCONS and with the corporate world, media, banksters will see to it that the UK electorate is kept firmly shackled locked away in what they deem is solitary and by God they are straining their every sinew to make that ‘solitary’ a reality, they shut the pubs, never allow dissenting voices on the TV and now they’re coming for the internet.

    Totalitarianism? It’s already arrived, an elective dictatorship is a better phrasing.

  18. I fail to see what is so bad about questioning, for example, the NHS, a socialist model of medicine (a monopoly funded by tax), as opposed to a mixed system of private provision and state aid for those on low incomes, as is the case in most developed countries where health standards, such as in Germany, are higher than in the UK.

    • I think there is a lot to be said for the Singapore model of Social security.

      The country requires every citizen to save up to 36% of their income towards their retirement and healthcare.

      The government invests this in stocks and bonds. It is not used for current expenditure

      Singapore citizens enjoy comfortable retirements and excellent healthcare.

  19. This site is trash, like Breitbart and Guido, which nobody takes seriously. And because it is trash, which no-one takes seriously, a coven of leftist trolls flock here, day after day, in apparent rota, determined to tell us so.

    Hmm.

  20. I fear the author has his liberalisms confused. “Neo-liberalism” is a notoriously difficult term to define, but it usually means the Blair/Cameron synthesis of free-ish markets with the state providing social care (i.e. education, health etc.). These people may like corporate capitalism and globalisation, but they don’t want to defund the NHS etc. (consider the rise in the state share of GDP over recent years). Those who would favour such a reduction (“classical liberals”) don’t tend to like corporatism, seeing it as a corruption of proper free markets.

  21. Before we save Brexit we have to save the country so why is Mrs May currently capitulating to Macron and promising to allow in more “migrants” from Calais? Is she insane? Can she not look across the channel and see that Paris remains under martial law because France cannot guarantee the safety of its citizens now that the Muslim population has passed 10%. How does May know that every single migrant she allows to come to Britain is not an Islamist?. Hungary’s President, Victor Orban said that “every single Muslim migrant presents a potential public order danger” and after major terrorist incidents in Manchester and London why is Mrs May putting the lives of her citizens who have just voted overwhelmingly for an end to more immigration (Brexit)? Because May is not a real Conservative she constantly allows herself to stand corrected by those she feels have the legitimate argument, the open borders cultural Marxists and those on the Left. Before she allows one single migrant in from Calais she should be asking “what’s in it for us”? on behalf of Britain and what does Britain gain from allowing illiterate criminals who have crossed multiple borders to reach Britain’s welfare El Dorado to come on down at the cost of £1 million/per migrant over a lifetime’s required welfare support (Migrationwatch), not to mention the possibility of those admitted being Islamist terrorists or rapists. May showed during the Brexit vote and since that she is a coward without any convictions conservative or otherwise. This childless automaton condemns our children to a life she knows nothing of, May is a disaster and must be replaced by someone who will close down Britain’s borders as a matter of urgency (read: “2030: Your Children’s Future in Islamic Britain” by David Vincent) before Macron shares the fate of France with the suckers across the channel.

    • To answer our question ‘is she insane’ – she is – and her party is quite happy for her to continue. No one will challenge her.

    • Damn right, why are Tories supporting ‘open borders’? Are they that afraid of being called racist that they would allow any more unvetted, poisonous immigration into Britain? We MUST have controlled, vetted immigration. Only an idiot or leftist Marxist wrecker would want open borders. Those Calais migrants are very unlikely to integrate, we don’t need to boost our unqualified underclass. We don’t help Africa by stealing their youngest and fittest.

      • We don’t help Africa by inflicting massive EU tariffs on the food they produce. The EU likes to keep them poor. When they’re poor they leave and look for work elsewhere (as we know). Much of this is the EU’s fault operating a protectionist cartel

        40% of the EU budget goes on CAP and farming only produces 1.6%- 1.8% of EU production.

        No wonder the EU doesn’t work.

    • Laid up by flu, I have been watching daytime TV news.
      A feature on pre school education on Sky News was presented by 2 persons very well.
      One was black, one was white. No problem
      They moved us on to a play school in Harrow. where 100% of the delightful children were asian. In Harrow.
      Then we went to the Tory minister involved. Nice chap I’m sure. Asian.
      Back to another political, nice looking Tory lady, spoke a lot of sense. Asian.
      We’re social liberals by the standards of the 70s and have non white friends & acquaintances & live in an English area.
      Just how do white working class folk feel about apparent race replacement ?
      I’m amazed that not only did the BNP vanish, but that it was not replaced with something very much worse.
      PS Next TV topic was the gales & a muslim man was interviewed about damage to his very nice modern house.

      • ‘Race replacement’ is a very particular kind of phrase repeated by a very small number of people on the far right.

        • Just how do white working class folk feel about APPARENT race replacement ?
          Other phrases used by the Far Right include
          1. Don’t spit in the street, it spreads germs.
          2 10 + 1 = 11 etc.
          Of all the socialists I hate the most, the Nazis were the worst.
          But they did a couple of good things, notably in workers’ housing.
          I’m now going to have to pay some penance for stooping to respond to one of your juvenile postings.

  22. David, I have no political home right now. I you want to go ahead and start the party you describe I’ll join it.

  23. The blue collar working class is white. There, I’ve said it when the author didn’t.

    It is viewed by the Labour Party which purports to represent it and by globalisers like Cameron as a ‘racist’ obstacle to the grand ‘progressive’ vision of the obliteration of Britain as a country, people, culture and way of life and its replacement with a multicultural, multiracial anywhere.

    If the opposition to these destroyers doesn’t get its act together, and soon, I can see a wholesale turning of this class to the far right. And not just this class either. Any port in a storm.

    UKIP for example got a lot of support from people who transferred to it from the British National Party.

    I can see them transferring it back as UKIP collapses.

  24. trying to add religion into politics is just putting lipstick on a pig. it will frighten off anyone except the useful idiots.

    also “faith, flag, and country” is the motto of the Cornerstone group who are religious extremists affiliated with the conservative party – nothing to do with labour at all.

    some may not agree with this characterisation as extremists, but obviously there is no credible political theory that thinks theocracy is ok in a modern country.

    • Replace “religion” in your comment with “morality”. After all, religion is but a set of moral imperatives based on the acknowledgement of an external authority.

      Now re-read. “obviously there is no credible political theory that thinks morality is ok in a modern country.”

      Are you really saying modern countries can espouse no values other than the lack of them?

      Turn back the clock, I say …

      • “acknowledgement of an external authority” – that’s the problem right there. the existence of the abrahamic god is anathema to anyone with a rational mind. the simplest proof of this is the story of Noah, which is common across the abrahamic religions. this story was pinched from Babylon, right down to the phrasing “the animals came in two by two”. this proves in a flash that the abrahamic texts are an invention.

  25. Chat to “democrats and veterans” David, and the SDP. Get the Vets onboard and you are home and dry. I’ve never known them so angry as now. The military is being decimated and the Vets are not well pleased.

  26. Kurten’s unthinkables merely demonstrate the difficulties that beset professional political analysis when it is based on as many unknown variables as there are voters. Corbyn’s resurrection at the election was unthinkable to political pundits because they know their keyboards better than voters and filter what they imagine voters think through their own prejudices. It was a surprise to voters because they aren’t aware of how flimsily-based most political commentary is. (They delude themselves that journalists know more than they do.) Its main input apart from personal prejudice is from opinion polling, itself a dubious science. It’s now thought “unthinkable” that Mrs May can win the next election, an effect generated in part by the genial way McDonnell promises that a Cuban economy can work profitably for Britain and Jeremy’s attempts to assure us he is not just thinkable but inevitable. The odds are probably against Mrs May winning a majority. But one reason it is not unthinkable is that everyone now has a clearer idea of what John and Jeremy want to do and are as likely to be terrified as enthused unless they are true believers in Labour government at any price. If the Tories found a new and convincing leader, there is no reason why they shouldn’t go into the 2022 general election with confidence. They last thing they need is an alliance with Ukip and its fruitcake leadership.

  27. David, if you or the ‘Right’ don’t master online video broadcasting, then you’ll get nowhere. Only a tiny number of people will read this, you’re shouting down a well. The medium is the message. Paul Joseph Watson recently celebrated 100 million views of his online videos. He has shown the way to get around the MSM – but this opportunity won’t be there for much longer, the enemy will close it down.

  28. If we had a prime minister who stood up for the country and the Brexit vote this article would never have been written: you can’t follow a leader who faces in all directions at once. Conservatives aren’t stupid; but they seem to have lost their sense of purpose.

      • She made the choice to call the election in 2017, she made the bed and now she is forced to sleep in it!

          • Yes – and it could be argued that one key role of a PM is to unite the country.

            Is she is unable to do that (as she plainly is) her next responsibility is to run the government competently. That, too, seems beyond her powers, sadly.

            We are all doomed.

      • Sorry I don’t agree. It isn’t the state of the electorate or country that causes May to behave like a buffoon. I have little hope she will handle the difficult issues when she so splendidly screws up issues that should be bread and butter to a politician. Promoted beyond her competence.

    • And now Shareeza May has told Macron that she will take all the migrants he wants off the streets of Calais.
      Coming to a housing estate near you very soon.

  29. Hi David, you seem to be the lone voice in our current political landscape challenging the Godless, secular humanist, progressive worldview which is attacking nation, sexual identity, family and Christianity in the UK. Having seen your articel and TV appearances I like what you are doing. Certainly the only sane voice in what now is the joke which is UKIP. I would support any party which had policies to reverse these attacks. As an independent hard working Christian married family man with a traditional family with kids there is no party who prioritises us. My industriousness is attacked at every turn to pay for those who never contribute but shout the loudest. The Conservatives have flogged my family with thousands more tax this year for worse services. I voted UKIP for Brexit and then Conservatives to avoid Marxist Labour but it’s nothing but more tax. It’s totally and utterly sickening. Everything you do is interfered with and suppressed by more and more tax and bureaucratic interference. Move to a bigger house £10k stamp duty. Do better, they’ll reduce tax relief – it’s been £2500 more this year thats £50k over 20 years. Education and health crumbling, indoctrination of the kids by radical postmodern sexual radicals and their sick ideas. I am so resentful that I almost don’t care who gets in, politically homless perhaps, because no one, absolutely no one is showing the slightest acknowledgement or support of those who are forced to pay for ideological fantasies. The relentless attacks on family and public services continue. It’s got to stop – I wish you success in your expressed desire and idea to form a new party to tackle it.

        • It is possible to be agnostic, atheist or secular humanist and still agree with all of the nonsense you complain about Horsey. Barry worries about things like evangelicals and needs sympathy. He may be worried about being re-converted.

          • Indeed shred it affects everyone in a similar position – regardless of belief or none. A very strange one word reply, quite bizarre and nothing to do with comment. One has to wonder at the mindset of the person who does this. Wish I knew how to put it all in a not so moany way.

  30. Hint: the 1950s have gone, and ain’t coming back.

    The endemic hatred and bigotry on which Mr Kurten’s manifesto is based is out of fashion….. permanently.

    As Justine Greening rightly said this week, unless Brexshit is made acceptable to young people (which means the “softest” possible exit), the next generation will simply reverse it as soon as the past-obsessed coffin-dodgers who imposed their will on the rest of society in June 2016 have shuffled off to meet their Maker.

    • No one says the 1950s are coming back and we are all coffin-dodgers bob.
      As for endemic hatred and bigotry, I wonder what you think you represent.

      • Well said. “bobworth” is another disgusting and repulsive ageist from the “compassionate” side of politics.

      • Hey P, some of us weren’t around during the 50s, so It’d be
        new for us. Colonel Mustard ( of these pages) says it was
        wonderful- mind you, he’d not have had a computer at
        that time to make the point as there wasn’t any internet.

        ‘Angel Delight’ has made a comeback, I am off to
        Waitrose to buy some, or Morrisons if more an appropriate
        of supermarket for such a dessert. And some
        ‘Rock ‘n’ Roll music, apparently that was all the rage too.

        • It wasn’t”wonderful” but it was nice in that all the millenials and snowflakes hadn’t been born then and weren’t around to foul things up. Grown ups ran things.

          PS Angel Delight wasn’t around until 1967, the year before it all kicked off.

          • Leaders of the past had conviction, gravitas and understood duty,
            before the time of ‘ bleeding heart ‘ Liberals, health and safety nannies
            and politically correct nonsense. Mind you I gather the roots of
            political correctness are a lot earlier then I assumed- the 30s
            I gather.

            PS I’ll still try Angel Delight anyway, people have mentioned that the
            butterscotch flavour was nice- I will assume it is a type of custard
            dessert.

    • The UK is not run for the benefit of “young people” (however that is defined) and in the referendum the majority of people voted to LEAVE.

      Pity that your vile ageism isn’t “out of fashion”.

    • What a nasty series of comments.
      You cannot even spell Brexit properly, which suggests you are poorly educated.
      As for being “past obsessed”, the trouble with mouthy young upstarts like you
      is that you have no concept of you country’s history, nor of the powerful international forces behind the EU.
      Obviously, you think George Soros, the CIA, massive international banks, etc are
      thinking of how best to help you & your type.
      The fact that you still live at home is down to uncontrolled, mass, often Third World immigration. Demanded of us by the EU and those behind it.

      • But then bobworth is a very bitter, nasty little man. This is puling idiot is what the Left are now reduced to.

    • Hatred and bigotry? I think they way you write Brexit suggests that bigotry and hatred is actually what you are espousing.

      As the EU will be insolvent when we leave there wont be anything left to re-join. Recent polls around the member states show that most now want their own referendums about membership. “Electorates” (not that anyone ever voted for the EU or anything within the EU) around Europe are watching Brexit closely. If we make a success of leaving (I have my doubts the way things are going) the EU is finished and will be placed in the dustbin of history like the USSR where it belongs.

      The EU doesn’t work and was incapable of reform. Now that Brussels realises that it will have no money after we leave it’s getting anxious… No one was able to explain any of the “benefits of the EU” and that’s why Leave won the vote.

  31. I agree with much of the argument and although I consider myself socially conservative I’m not sure how much it resonates generally and especially with younger people. That does not mean the ideas are wrong though, it just means it’s hard to break through because our culture, politics and mass media are so against it.

    As Tim Farron said just recently and to paraphrase, ‘We’re increasingly defined as a society by what we don’t like’, and an inverted intolerance for points of view that do not conform to the majority (which consists of ardent activists or ‘elites’ or that’s where it comes from), think tanks and quangos.

    Peter Hitchens is correct in that at least the Labour party is led by a socialist. The Conservatives are led more by some sort of zombie Blairism. Thatcher and Cameron were more classical liberals in my own view. It is such a fiercely individualistic ideology where societal structures are not held in very high regard and it helped usher in the new right in the 80s. The trouble is that most political thought today in the UK holds to this in some form – although Labour and the Lib Dems are of different variants of liberalism.

    I don’t think UKIP is finished (although it does not appeal to me personally), but if the Tories really mess Brexit up and things continue the way they’re going there is room for a new party in England especially.

  32. True conservatism equals- God, Queen and Country. Responsibility and Duty.

    I will assume you can see the difficulties the above would produce. And by the
    way Labour loath all the above- those world are the opposite of that parties
    beliefs.

    • Possibly High Toryism involves God, Queen & Country.
      However genuine conservatism is very different.
      For a start, quaint traditions like an invisible God belong to most primitive societies
      & as for the Monarch, again a feature of the most primitive societies.
      Serious conservatism certainly respects quaint national traditions &, most certainly,
      respects national & regional history.
      Above all, it does not seek to introduce foreign
      national traditions as part of society.
      The Americans & the French, for example have had some excellent conservative
      leaders who have not had to labour under the misapprehension that God gives a toss for them. Obviously, when seeking votes they’ll talk of God & mainstream Judeo Christian
      morals, which have worked well for us, when not enforced by law.
      As for the monarch. The US tried that one at the last Presidential Election.
      There is no logic behind a monarchy unless the incumbent is a popular & uniting figure.
      If Charles ever became king, rather than his excellent elder son, monarchists would find themselves embattled more than at any time since the Civil War.

  33. Is there any chance a few of the writers on this blog can get directly involved in politics. A new party or lose alliance of proper conservatives could flourish if nurtured by the right people.

    • Sorry, just realised you are a UKIP politician not one of the team from here. I’m afraid I’ve cancelled my membership. I wish you would get your act together as a party.

  34. I am a social conservative, a Burkean conservative in fact, who is an ex-Conservative supporter . I switched to Ukip some years ago as the pretend Conservative had abandoned social conservatism and clearly didn’t have the heart to exit us from the EU. In the approach to the referendum I became very active in leafleting door to door and helping man street stalls. So I have worked and not just talked. But now I am teetering on the edge of leaving Ukip as well. So yes there is much that I like about David Kurten’s ideas. But top level political leaders will need to get behind this suggestion and make it happen, otherwise it will remain as yet another interesting idea.

  35. A very sane and measured call for real change.

    But Mr Kurten will be very disappointed by the Labour Party of the Midlands and the North. These people are so rotten and corrupt that they were willing to trade the bodies of 1,400 young girls in exchange for the mohammedan bloc vote in Rotherham.

  36. Waiting for that new party that we can all get behind. Meanwhile there is a great head of steam building up across the country, of people getting more and more furious at the way the Establishment has stitched us all up and are presenting us back to the EU trussed up with an apple in our mouths…….waiting…….waiting…….waiting……

  37. A keen-eyed analysis, Sir: for which, my thanks.
    Having just finished reading vol.iii. of Sir Arthur Bryant’s history of us, I’m bemusedly wondering when, exactly, did we cease to be not only Bulldogs, but, what I suppose we could term ‘Bull***t-hounds (i.e. pre-eminent in sniffing out and decrying nonsense as Her late Imperial Majesty Queen Victoria once declared of something, ‘Now that is what I call twaddle.’: few, or none of us, now are ever prepared to say, ‘Twaddle.’ Pickled fish/cow? Twaddle! Un-made bed? Twaddle! Lump of bronze, roughly cast, with holes in it? Twaddle! [You can tell I live a few miles away from St. Ives] Once we’ve quietly assented to all that post-1945 rubbish, I suppose, then, I suppose, we’re left feeling defenceless when more overbearing and even more sinister forces take command of our whole discourse.
    Sometimes, it seems to me, that, having defeated National Socialism, far from repudiating for ever its aims and its methods, we’ve unthinkingly adopted them.

  38. There is another group within Labour which you fail to mention. Not within their voter base but in the PLP itself. It’s the primordial slime created from, what I like to call, The Burnham Syndrome. These are the hypocrites who threw a spanner into the party cogs when they forced a second leadership election against the man, they said, would ruin Labour. Corbyn was electoral kryptonite, they said at the time; as soon as Corbyn became a public pin-up, they all, miraculously, changed their minds.
    Like I said, The Burnham Syndrome. Created after the man himself, the world champion at sitting on the fence until one side becomes so popular, he has to hop off and claim that he always championed it/was always against it. I’m surprised he, and his colleagues, don’t have splinters.

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